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Offline Uriah

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« on: March 04, 2007, 05:50:31 PM »
What are the values for 'alt and e' - i have changed most of the key values and need to know what the function is so I can find it in the key set up.

Seems strange to me that people that would function would leave it on such a combersom key combination.  Does anybody ever try to fly a default set with no joystick?  And with these games where you must stay in the cockpit being with out trackir is like flying blind.

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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2007, 06:09:37 PM »
do a search on this forum for views

infact, here is one i did for you

http://www.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html


also check out a search for 'head position'

other than  that your thread title and topic coherhance baffle me :)
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2007, 09:23:34 PM »
I'll respond from another angle:

"Alt and E" refers to an enemy plane's Altitude (alt) and Energy State (E).  

Not key strokes.

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Offline Uriah

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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2007, 09:31:03 PM »
unfortunately, i get following:

'The search term you specified (alt) is under the minimum word length (4) and therefore will not be found. Please make this term longer.

If this term contains a wildcard, please make this term more specific.'

I should read my post before posting carefully.  I find it helpful if the 'function' is given (as listed in the key assignments) rather than the default keys for an unnamed function.  I understand others may not.

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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2007, 09:36:08 PM »
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snip......  Does anybody ever try to fly a default set with no joystick?  And with these games where you must stay in the cockpit being with out trackir is like flying blind.


This game is almost impossible to fly with a mouse and keyboard. A joystick is a requirement. It can be done however you will have a lot of trouble.

Buy a cheap joystick $40 or so as long as it has a 8 way hat switch, you can get started. If you really get into this game you could get better equipment like a stick with more buttons, and throttle, and rudder pedals, which can run you upwards of $300 for CH Products stuff.

The game has a very big learning curve due to HTC trying to make it as close to realistic as they can. Good Luck !

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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2007, 09:42:09 PM »
Sorry, my point was the default keyboard assignments and then giving out information with the defaults when the game is almost always played with a joystick and maybe trackir (I have both).   Just how do you find enemy planes?  I can fly for sometime and not find anybody.

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2007, 09:43:57 PM »
What Gooss said.

alt + e is not a keystroke.

alt is short for altitude, and e is short for energy state.

'Finding planes at your alt and e' does not mean hitting that keystroke to get a certain view function, or anything like that. It means looking for planes at a similiar altitude and energy state relative to your own plane.

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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2007, 09:48:57 PM »
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Sorry, my point was the default keyboard assignments and then giving out information with the defaults when the game is almost always played with a joystick and maybe trackir (I have both).   Just how do you find enemy planes?  I can fly for sometime and not find anybody.


The numpad is set as default for views. So, for example, when you press and hold numpad 2, you will see your 6 o'clock view.

Now, some of these default views may be a bit cumbersome. To remedy this, while holding down a certain numpad button, you can move your head by using the arrow keys and page up/page down. Press F10 when that particular view is where you like it, release the numpad button, and then every time you press that numpad view again in that plane, it will go to the optimized view you saved with F10.

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2007, 09:56:43 PM »
Sorry, seemed to have missed Gooss' reply.  Sense I have TrackIR I guess I don't need to use the keys for looking around.  It seems fine to me. But, how do I find where the action is and is the padlocking a nice way to spot planes.  Just don't know how best to do this in this game.  I am using the 8 player stuff for now.:D

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2007, 11:31:08 PM »
In 8 player mode you WONT find any planes, because they don't exist, unless you have several friends that join in on the 8 player game you created.

I would suggest OFFLINE mode for now until you get used to shooting down planes, etc.

Then if you want to get into some SERIOUS and SERIOUSLY FUN action, pay the $15/month and join us all in the online arenas!  Believe me, there's MUCH MUCH more to this game than just "finding enemy planes" and shooting them down.

Enjoy!

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2007, 03:34:29 AM »
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Originally posted by Uriah
Sorry, seemed to have missed Gooss' reply.  Sense I have TrackIR I guess I don't need to use the keys for looking around.  It seems fine to me. But, how do I find where the action is and is the padlocking a nice way to spot planes.  Just don't know how best to do this in this game.  I am using the 8 player stuff for now.:D


Use your map to find a fight. ESC for clipboard, use INS and DEL to zoom map. Mouse out of flight mode, you can use left mouse to drag and drop the map, right click for options (like field names, alts, radar etc....). On the right click map you can also bring up things like "War Status" (not valid in 8Player), "Clipboard Maps" (8player maps, including fields and other placed objects can be customized and might not fit these strat maps) and single fields status (Im not sure that this works in 8 player... depends on Host setting i think).

Read for more info on how to read and interpret the map.


As for default settings: with the multitude and variety of Joystick/Controllers out there, theres no way for HTC to have a default setting that fits them all more then they already have inplemented. If you plug a JS in, by default Roll and Pitch, the fire buttons and Views on hatswitch are mapped. But thats also where the similarities stop....
If youre playing the game without one of the system requirements and "complain" that you need to configure it........... try http://www.slowcat.de for instructions on mouse setup.
As for default keymap: im still playing mostly with the defaults (except a few i had to map additionally like CM Eye mode and mode selection).

To your "E and alt" question: Like has been said before, that refers to a planes Energy state (E) and its altitude (alt), not any keys. "Co-E and co-Alt" is actually a slightly misleading expression, albeit often heard since Energy already encompasses the altitude information. Energy (E) = Speed x Altitude (alt). Two opponents starting "Co-E" is the "fair fight", provided both are in the same plane, they theoretically have the same chance of winning/loosing. Use "Energy" and "altitude" as search terms if you want to look through past threads.



If you cannot (or dont want to) pay for a subscription right now, the 8 player mode is a nice way of "getting up to speed" with game and gameplay. But be aware that many of the rooms have non-default settings, like for example higher ammo multipliers and lower fuel burn. Some even enforce stall limiter. If you plan on really learning to fight (aside from HO-and-run (shooting head on, and running after each try) and spray-and-pray (shooting huge amounts of bullets in the hopes that a stray one might hit) I recommend you try to keep to rooms with more realistic settings. This is also usually where youll find the better pilots/vets for the above reasone :).

One short note: FFA means Free For All - rooms labeled with that means that all planes (red OR green) are free to kill. Killshooter is off in those, you can fight friendlies.
Team - those rooms are meant to be team vs team fight. Usually you should look upon logging in, even the teams. Killshooter is usually on, youre meant to kill the red guys.
Generally, its best to log in and say hello and if theres no Arena Message that the host posted with some explanations/rules, I usually ask what the rules/fights are and what the purpose is.

Id suggest you check out the "Free Multiplayer" forum a little down on the Forums list. Its where the 8Player community "lives".


I hope this helped you some.
Regards,

Schatzi




PS: Tigger, im not sure what you mean "wont find planes" in H2H. I visit there every now and then and I rarely had trouble finding a room where I could log in for a fight or two.
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2007, 03:37:11 AM »
I had originally wanted to edit above post and fill in a link to the Trainer Corps homepage (its also in my sig). Go there and do some reading... the game will become a lot clearer that way.

Heres a few links I have collected, that are a "Getting Started" package:

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A very good, short explanation of Murdr on "Energy".
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/emanage/emanage.htm

This are short rundowns on basic maneuvers:
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/maneuvers/maneuvers.htm
You can download Aces High Film demonstrations on some of them on the homepage http://www.hitechcreations.com under "Downloads - Films".
A very good exercise for Immelmans/merges is shown in this film: http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/immelexcer.ahf
While when in an actual fight, youll probably not fly the maneuvers "textbook" but rather fly in a way/direction that gets you where and when you want to be, its always good to know them (if only to be able to name them). Also, flying them "correctly" - for example in flat turn dont loose altitude or in an aileron roll dont change your flight path heading (ie nose always points to the same spot) - will practice your command of the aircraft and hones your inputs. Flying aerobatics and through hangars for example can also be a fun way to learn to controll your plane finely.

This thread points to an article (with films as demonstration) that explains the immelman turn on merge, and why it is the best option:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=186602

Also, id like to stress again how important views (and keeping your eyes on your opponent) are - LOOSE SIGHT; LOOSE FIGHT! Knowing where everyone around you is (enemies as well as friends!), what they are doing and where they are going next is called Situational Awareness (SA) - most important factor in winning (or loosing) a fight. I would say about 80%, if not more. After all, you cannot evade (or shoot for that matter) an enemy that you dont see.
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/views/views.htm
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/overthenose/overthenose.htm

Generally, lots of reading, practicing and most importantly HAVING FUN doing it will help you improve fast.
http://www.netaces.org
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com (The official homepage of the Aces High II Trainer Corps - a collection of our help files)
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/index.php (get an account there, very good Help and Training as well as Tech Support section).




PS: This link http://www.netaces.org/genmerges/merges.html#title is a good read that will take the merging thoughts a bit further - if you want to read a bit ahead :) .
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2007, 04:28:14 PM »
I rarely find planes at my ALT and E, either theirs is less in which case I attack with all dispatch, or theirs is greater and I run away...run away...

ALT+E key combo starts my engines, I don't think it does anything by default

 I find enemies by flying to the biggest red radar bar, with ALT & E of course :)
« Last Edit: March 05, 2007, 04:32:38 PM by Booz »

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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2007, 11:10:40 AM »
Schatzi I have to apologize.. I've personally never been in 8 player mode and I though it was a simple network connection they you setup to allow up to 7 friends to "manually" connect to your computer and play.

I did not realize AH Hosted 8 player mode games.  I was thinking he was setting up such a game but had no one to join him (Kind of thinking he thought he would engage 7 A.I. planes)

My ignorance is my defense, and for that I'm sorry

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2007, 11:37:53 AM »
No need to apologize.

AH 8 Player mode can either be played over LAN (thats what you thought about probably) but you can also play it over the internet. The internet H2H arenas are not hosted by HTC, but by the individual players who host. Even at non-peak hours theres usually at least two or three rooms open.
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