Author Topic: Wiggling Planes (Read 2553 times)

wstpt10 · « **on:** March 08, 2007, 06:21:53 PM »

Well, if you can't tell by the post count and join date, I'm rather new to this game...

Something that I have noticed happening a lot when I get in close for a kill is that the guy I'm targeting is jinking along the vertical axis at an impossible rate. The bugger is really all over the place! Is this some sort of lag issue, or a rather a-historic tactic?

Thanks

whiteman · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2007, 06:24:55 PM »

lag if he's jumping back and forth or warping and you can jink your plane into some crazy moves, after all it's a game.

wstpt10 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2007, 06:26:02 PM »

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Originally posted by whiteman
lag if he's jumping back and forth or warping and you can jink your plane into some crazy moves, after all it's a game.

Well, he isn't warping. Just using those elevators in a manner that would make any normal human being puke all over the instrument panel.

This is the only game I have seen this done in. Weird...

whiteman · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2007, 06:28:12 PM »

i'm quite new myself and have seen some stuff that would break a person's neck.

wstpt10 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2007, 06:30:15 PM »

Meh, I'll just have to get used to it. Normally it doesn't save them from the Hispanos I'm packin', so it isn't a big deal.

whiteman · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2007, 06:31:47 PM »

yea it's may save them the first pass but i'm not gunna hit the brakes, i'll just swing back if i need to.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2007, 07:09:10 PM »

~the term you are looking for is 'stick stirring dweebs'

most often a tactic of the 190D and P51 timid pilots when they lose thier alt advantage and have no clue what to do next..

Airscrew · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2007, 07:14:39 PM »

what I find is their stick stiring has a predictable pattern after awhile, and all though it is fustrating eventually you learn to shoot were they are not and have them jink into your rounds..

Dichotomy · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2007, 07:48:10 PM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
~the term you are looking for is 'stick stirring dweebs'

most often a tactic of the 190D and P51 timid pilots when they lose thier alt advantage and have no clue what to do next..

I resemble that remark sir

although I never fly the 190

eh · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2007, 07:55:25 PM »

The worst form of stick stirring occurs in Warbirds. Over there, pilots can make their planes flop around like fish out of water. You can even get a trainer to give you lessons on how to do it.

That kind of nonsense (or gaming the game) is much harder to do in Aces High because of the flight model, which is a really good thing. Still, there are some talented jinkers in Aces High, but I doubt that what I see here is anywhere near the craziness that happens in Warbirds. I only saw one fellow in Aces High who could do that extreme fish-flopping, and he was a self-acknowledged cheater who could also make his plane fly like an erratic butterfly. I met him in the Training Arena, once, and never saw him again. I think HTC catches up with those twits pretty quick.

RTR · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2007, 08:02:16 PM »

What Airscrew said....ditto. Just let'em stir and don't try to glue on to them.

EH?!!!!....my old nemesis

Kinda missed ya:)

RTR

LYNX · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2007, 08:06:41 PM »

There are guys that stick stir but that's obvious maneuvers. Flipperty over, pull to one side, negative turn and flappady back.

I think you maybe referring to some of the mouse players. They look like a jumping jack with no head room. Kinda fly straight but the plane bobs up and down rapeedo.... well at least I think it's mouse players:eek:

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2007, 08:09:41 PM »

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Originally posted by wstpt10
Well, he isn't warping. Just using those elevators in a manner that would make any normal human being puke all over the instrument panel.

This is the only game I have seen this done in. Weird...

Also remember that because its a game and blackouts are only simulated.
You are able to pull the kind of moves that would make a normal human being puke. Or wear down from the prolonged effects of such moves.
without actuallly puking ,blacking out, or being worn down from such moves.

Hell you cant even get worn out from normal moves like one would have

Therefore you will always see stunts pulled you would probably rarely if ever witness IRL

At least to the repeated and prolonged extent you see them here.

the one thing you wont see is the effects of pilot fatigue.

Might be nice though. if they could somehow model it in.
The longer and more often you perform hard manuvers. the more tired the pilot gets.

the trick with dealing with the stick stirrers. that is the ones who seem to want to bounce their planes in all different directions at the same time is just to be patient and stay behind them. and chuckle at their stupidity. They eventually level out. or crash

Sometimes if you fire right into the center of their axis you can still nail em as often the plane looks like its moving from side to side and up and down when all they are really doing is gyrating.
the center of the plane stays in the same place

E25280 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2007, 08:11:19 PM »

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Originally posted by LYNX
There are guys that stick stir but that's obvious maneuvers. Flipperty over, pull to one side, negative turn and flappady back.

I think you maybe referring to some of the mouse players. They look like a jumping jack with no head room. Kinda fly straight but the plane bobs up and down rapeedo.... well at least I think it's mouse players:eek:

I've often wondered why they never get the "don't move the controls so rapidly" error messege (or however it's stated). You may be on to something with your rodent theory.

Chalenge · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2007, 08:40:50 PM »

Ive seen guys do this. They roll and pitch and just try to keep themselves hard to hit. From directly behind its hard to do damage anyway and its hard to get the lead right when they are moving constantly. If you dont shoot good it takes more ammo so it only helps them if your already low ammo. Just get closer and shoot them in the head and they explode real nice. The main thing to do is dont do what they are doing and you can close in. 190s are worst about this because they have such powerful ailerons so once you get in close watch out for the weave and make sure they stay in front of you. If you cant close the gap then climb and hunt for another target.

Another one is the bunt where the target pushes his stick hard forward and then jinks hoping you will overshoot. Just use your throttle or stay above them and get closer if you can.

Richthofen said it best. Close with the enemy and shoot them down. Every thing else is rubbish. Or something like that.