Please

[Sled]

Originally posted by doobs
Think we should leave FSO since we are not worthy


yeaH WE SHOULD GO

OK now, this is getting out of hand.

Doobs I assume you are kidding. (you better be)

I think you guys better take a brake from the Keyboard for a day or so.

I see a Skuzzy visit in this threads future.

[toadkill]

My question is simple. how is this"game" we play not a "life"?

We communicate with other people to accomplish a common goal. We see an electronic representation of another "person" and we react to what we see, hear, and in my case feel. where is this different from this "Real life" you talk about? What is different between a computer and a man? A man has "common sense" and the ability to think freely. But that is where the differences end. A computer runs by a series of electrical currents, as do a human's brain and nervous system. One could argue, in fact, that a highly programed, and adapted computer system could be more "human" than some humans.

You say "get a life". I say I've got one. And i chose this life for myself. this community is much like the "ideal empire", where if you dont like it, and all you can do is try to demean someone, then you can either come say it to our faces, or you can get out.

FSO has been going on for far longer than you've been in it, and will continue long after you leave. So I say it again, if you dont like how it works, and you dont like how it works, then go to the MA and HO/ram your brains out. Then whine like everyone else on 200.

I see no reason why this chian of events (you insulting the JG44), because we dont spend 20 minutes forming up in buffs, has even taken place. Clearly you need to grow up some, or go take some anger management classes.

Next time you plan an FSO event, dont just calculate the routes, run them. If you dont have the time to do that, then dont apply to be the CiC of a frame. This isnt something you can just throw together in 30 minutes, and make it look pretty by using illustrator and making it a PDF. I know for sure that when the JG44 plans a bombing run, one of us bomber guys is flying your route at least once. At least one of us fly every set of ordere recieved the day of, or before an FSO event. We take this seriously, and there are somethings that we just cant (as leaders) control (each individual pilot besides us). They might Disco, they might AFK and drop out of auto-level/climb while gone, their calibration might be bad, thus they only get 97% power and cant keep up. All the flaws are what makes us human, and not machine.

Now. It is late, and i must hit the hay.

FSO participants, see you in the Skies

NOTE: this is completely cool headed and not meant as a "flame" just showing that i got my squadies back, and wont stand to see us patronized.

[Kermit de frog]

Originally posted by doobs
good post filth that is why I am going to bunch the entire USAF in one box next frame,,,,,,,NOT

It's over for the AXIS stay home, watch Leno, you stand no chance

beware of the Penguin

Wow, doobs, ease up.  The comments after this one are getting too angry.  Learn to aurgue with facts.  That goes for everyone else getting angry.  (I'm going to continue to ride this pony so hold on (:  )


I was there in November's FSO mighty eigth.  I've never been in a bombing mission like that before or since.  In fact, I try to duplicate it everytime.  Val did a great job on that mission.  I think that also was an airstart.  Maybe we should have airstarts for Bombers in FSO's.  I'll never forget that bombing run.

I'm glad more people are recognizing that too many people in one area is a bad thing.

(I'm getting off my lil pony now. (: )

[Dantoo]

I always knew I liked the JG44 guys, but probably didn't realise how much before reading this.

and

The map is too small.

[doobs]

my appoligies, alot of lem motlow there, look at the post times.

and sled look at the other post,  believe you were listed first.

[FiLtH]

Ok Ok...at ease.

    I think what we have here is a difference of opinion, on how the FSO should be planned by a CO for that night. In many special events, COs plan to be sneaky and exploit the rules to gain an edge. Although I have usually not pursued this line of thought, its been done and is accepted by most as the way they are planned.

  However, in an FSO, the idea isnt so much winning a frame by exploiting rules, or over-loading sectors. It should be about a balanced engagment where both sides have a chance, and everyone has fun in as realistic a setup as possible.

   COs please think of that when making the orders. Spread the wealth. Make it so everyone has an opportunity for combat, without massing everyone in one lump.

   Usually there are multiple targets. Attack all of them. If ever there is only one target, which is rare, attack in waves, at different alts and arrival times at target. I think most people determine a good fso, by the combat experience (not one sided, rather evenly distributed across the map), not whether they won or not. The best fsos are the close ones.

[Casper1]

 Biting tongue.      

doobs, Toad, Hornet - glad you guys said what you did, it was needed.

I cannot understand why this guy's attitude is tolerated for FSO.  Maybe someone should let him try doing CM setup and all that stuff for an entire FSO and see how big of a clusterfart it turns into.
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CMs, SEA staff, FSO planners and attendees, you all are doing an outstanding job with a difficult task - FSO ROCKS.  

I am truly sorry you have to deal with ppl like our friend Valkyrie.  Somone needs to post some screenies of the boyd in action methinks...  

Maybe Valk could be kind and critique our junky buff flying?

[Sketch]

Originally posted by FiLtH
 However, in an FSO, the idea isnt so much winning a frame by exploiting rules, or over-loading sectors. It should be about a balanced engagment where both sides have a chance, and everyone has fun in as realistic a setup as possible.

Exactly!! This is what really needs to be looked at and I am glad Filth said something.  I said something before about not having the system to handle that kind of FPS, but I guess I don't know crap about these large scale things.  If something like filling an entire sector is how it needs to be done I guess that is how 'they' need then.... I might still take part because the my squad still will.
But I guess that is the only way some people can win....

[jeb]

Toad and Hornet, thanks for taking the time to run mock flights to checks for flaws in missions. I would hope that the mission planners would take your findings with an open mind.

jeb

[Gopher]

Who's  JG/44 ?

[Sled]

Originally posted by doobs
......sled look at the other post,  believe you were listed first.

You know I was just trying to "lighten" the post, right?

[doobs]

of course, but I know how sensitive marines can get:D

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by doobs
of course, but I know how sensitive marines can get:D

Yeah we've seen Knuckels get all upset about nothing and start crying like a baby. Then we start getting the "I love you guys" thing going. Sheesh, must be all that time they spend around those Navy guys:lol

[Valkyrie]

To me in my mind planning frame 1 I didn't think buffs should have to make target by t+60. I thought my fighters should have been able to drop on a target and that would have been good enough. The inital buff hit was to take place at T+37 on the fuel, the next on the radar. I really didn't think about how overloaded the sector would be except for the fact that my fighter sweep was to hit that area and have it cleared by the time the buffs were due in.

The buffs were suppose to fly together so that my escorts could wipe out 1 Lw force with at least a 2-1 advantage. Then go on with a large advantage to deal with the second group of Lw over the radar.

Ideally no fighters would have seen buff though that would be unreasonable. I did not even consider how frame rates would drop. I mearly considered wining. Put my guys were the bad guys were so that we could have a big showdown before the buffs came through. I would have though all would have been happy, with that.

Yes the route for JG44 was long but I thought by having fighters drop an egg early I would have bought the T+60 barrier and then hit that target at about t+70. In my mind that satifiyed the rules and everyone should have had a fight. I in fact wanted a total victory with all the LW going down, but it never works out as planned.

Moral of this story was I was merely looking to cream the LW with big number at the point of attack then running that point through the entire LW.

best wishes,

Vlkyrie1

[Valkyrie]

I'll refrain from commenting on the *******es above. But capser I would love to have an opertunity to teach bomber formation flying to anyone that would listen. losing 8 buffs to friendly fire shouldn't happen.

My only aim is to increase the historical accuracy of FSO. These posts shouldn't be taken in contexts of an attack on people, that not what this is about. If you read the posts as negative about any group that just flat isn't the case though I'm sure this is all falling on pittful deaf ears.

Everything about these events and the people who put them on is first class, but there are always things that could be changed to make improvements and I think they should be looked at. Not brushed aside by closed minded people who are not willing to put time in.

As stated earlier I would love to be apart of designing these if someone would just show me where to sign on the doted line.


Vlkyire