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« Reply #465 on: January 08, 2008, 05:04:46 PM »
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Maybe this is Dr. Ron Paul
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.h...15-4532a7da84ca

If it is........I have to say I am truely dissapointed.


Apparently a lot of that has previously been debunked. It is also really short on fire for all the smoke. Here is one of many critical responses to the attack piece.

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I have known Ron Paul for most of my political life, ever since meeting him in Atlanta at a Libertarian Party convention in 1987. My club, the UF College Libertarians, brought him to speak at the University of Fla. in the 1988 campaign and we have held two successful fundraisers in Palm Beach for his Congressional runs. He was later Chair of the Republican Liberty Caucus, of which I was the Executive Director for two years. I know several of his staff, both former and current. In my whole course of interaction with Ron Paul and his staff over 20 some years, there has never, ever been anything remotely resembling the sentiments Kirchick intimates here. The charge of a "bigoted past" is entirely hollow. Ron has many supporters and friends who happen to be Jewish, black or gay; I doubt they would rally to him like they do were this fabrication true. As Paul says, the true solution to racism is individualism. The fact that some indulgent ghostwriter adopted a very unfortunate tone is regrettable; that ghostwriter was rightfully discharged. If anything, a lack of closer oversight is the only legitimate accusation that can be made here. He may have also been wrongly advised to simply ignore the controversy instead of publicly repudiating it; Lord knows there were occasions when something regrettable was published under my name that I didn't write and did little to nothing to publicly correct (coincidentally, one had to do with Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell). Such an oversight is a very minor foible in the person of a man who has toiled so long and so hard for the cause of individual liberty and someone who takes a brave and vital stance against the status quo with his message of free markets, civil liberties and peace.


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« Reply #466 on: January 08, 2008, 05:26:02 PM »
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Maybe this is Dr. Ron Paul
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

If it is........I have to say I am truely dissapointed.:mad:


Kirchik's just trying to out Paul, so that a candidate that's closely tied with the GOP's current views' and direction will have a better chance. Don't worry, It happens' in the DNC camp too.

Paul's greatest thing going for him is that He seems ready at any minute to chop the ties' to the party, and do his job as to the wishes of the people.

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« Reply #467 on: January 29, 2008, 01:08:12 PM »
sorry for the lack of updates...  to break the ice again, here's an endorsement...

Legendary Singer-Songwriter Arlo Guthrie Endorses Ron Paul for President

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« Reply #468 on: January 29, 2008, 01:50:15 PM »
And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints.  And the only reason I'm
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a
situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.".  And walk out.  You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him.  And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both studmuffingots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization.  And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out.  And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
guitar.

With feeling.  So we'll wait for it to come around on the guitar, here and
sing it when it does.  Here it comes.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

That was horrible.  If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud.
I've been singing this song now for twenty five minutes. I could sing it
for another twenty five minutes.  I'm not proud... or tired.

So we'll wait till it comes around again, and this time with four part
harmony and feeling.

We're just waitin' for it to come around is what we're doing.

All right now.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Excepting Alice
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

Da da da da da da da dum
At Alice's Restaurant
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Ah the memories....is this Ron Pauls last laugh?
If so, I give Ron credit for a lil style....

:D

Mac
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« Reply #469 on: January 29, 2008, 02:20:00 PM »
RP is far from having a "last laugh".  Staying in the race till the end, which is doable considering his frugality with his donations, is part of his strategy.   I keep hearing "brokered convention" being thrown around, to be honest I'm not exactly clear on why that's a good thing, but it sounds like it is.  For Paul, at least...

Regarding Guthries' endorsement, Paul didn't ask for it.  Arlo, of his own volition, wanted to let American people know where he stands...
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I love this guy. Dr. Paul is the only candidate I know of who would have signed the Constitution of The United States had he been there. I'm with him, because he seems to be the only candidate who actually believes it has as much relevance today as it did a couple of hundred years ago. I look forward to the day when we can work out the differences we have with the same revolutionary vision and enthusiasm that is our American legacy.
I didn't see this endorsement coming, but can anyone fault his sentiment?

edit: and regarding last laughs, tonight might be Rudy's....

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« Reply #470 on: January 29, 2008, 02:24:32 PM »
Just because arlo guthrie endorses ron paul does not make paul a commie.

I won't hold it against him.

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« Reply #471 on: January 29, 2008, 03:59:29 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
Just because arlo guthrie endorses ron paul does not make paul a commie.

I won't hold it against him.

lazs


Dammm Lazs talk about Leaps and Bounds... Did I say anything about being a Commie?  Oh I get it you were just being Liberally sarcastic.

Heh...funny.  In the same sense it doesn't make Alro a reformed independant either.... rather just another burn out.

Ohhh ~Touche~

Mac

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« Reply #472 on: January 29, 2008, 05:17:14 PM »
that's exactly why I posted that particular endorsement.  I would have assumed he'd support a dem.  To read WHY he supports Paul (in a nutshell, The Constitution) was almost a shock to me, not because of why, but because I wouldn't have assumed that was important to him.

in other news...  Pastor Chuck Baldwin has written another good letter, in which he asks Why are Ron Paul's supporters so angry?
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...if anyone has a right to be angry, it is Ron Paul supporters. But perhaps the greater question is, Why are not all of us angry? No, I do not mean in a cruel or unkind way, but where is our outrage for what the ruling elite are doing to our country?

We should all be angry at the way politicians lie to us, deceive us, and manipulate us. We should all be angry at the way both major parties have completely ignored and trampled constitutional government.

Are we so gullible that we cannot see when a politician says one thing to one group of people and a totally opposite thing to another group of people? Are we so naïve that we cannot tell when a politician changes his beliefs simply in order to garner votes?

Come on folks, let's get real: do you really expect John McCain to abandon his efforts to grant amnesty to illegal aliens? Do you really expect Mitt Romney to be a champion for the unborn? Do you really expect Mike Huckabee to suddenly be the champion for limited government spending? Do you really expect Rudy Giuliani to keep his pants zipped?
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it makes absolutely no sense that Christian pastors would embrace the sudden pro-life candidacy of Mitt Romney and reject the proven, twenty-year pro-life record of Ron Paul. It makes no sense that evangelical Christians would embrace the pro-illegal amnesty, pro-McCain/Feingold, pro-No-Child-Left-Behind, pro-gun control John McCain and reject the proven, twenty-year no-amnesty, pro-freedom, anti-No-Child-Left-Behind, pro-Second Amendment record of Ron Paul. It makes absolutely no sense that Christians would fall for Mr. Big Government himself, Mike Huckabee, and reject the champion of limited government, Ron Paul.
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« Reply #473 on: January 30, 2008, 02:25:54 AM »
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
edit: and regarding last laughs, tonight might be Rudy's....
Giuliani to End White House Bid, Endorse McCain

nice... that's four down!      http://youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q
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« Reply #474 on: January 30, 2008, 02:31:31 AM »
by the way, if any RP supporters are seeing these primaries roll by and getting discouraged by the 4-14% showings, read this email I received from the campaign yesterday...

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Message from Ron

January 28, 2008

When I started this campaign more than a year ago, I was a somewhat reluctant candidate. I knew our message of freedom, peace, and prosperity was the right one for our country, but frankly, I didn't know how many people today would have ears to hear it.

Well, did I learn a lesson! Millions of Americans understand what ails our country, and what is needed to fix it. So, with you at my side, I am in this effort to win. Not only by building the ideas of liberty, but by getting the nomination. Our opponents would call that nuts -- you know, the advocates of more inflation, more spending, more taxes, more war. But let me explain why they are, as usual, all wet.

For one thing, for the first time since 1952, we are headed towards a brokered convention. Instead of a coronation of one of the establishment candidates, the delegates, influenced by the people, will decide. And I am afraid that this will take place in a time of heightened economic crisis. That means even more Americans will be ready to hear our message. But it also means I am really going to need your help.

One would never know this from the mainstream media, but we've only had a few primaries and caucuses, and even after the extremely important date of February 5th, we will still have more than half to go. And the Republican nominee will not be decided by the popular vote among the "leading candidates" in a few states also handpicked by the media. The nominee will be decided by the delegates. So let me tell you a little about our "under-the-radar" strategy to get those delegates.

On "Super Tuesday," February 5th, there will be 22 primaries and caucuses. I have a hunch that we're going to do very well. But, of course, the media and the rest of the establishment refuse to recognize that. It's the attitude of the small child who covers his eyes to make something scary go away. But we are not going away.

While the media focus on the couple of states they claim are important, we're competing everywhere. And the reason that we're able to do that is because of your grassroots support. You all are an asset that no other campaign has: donors, and activists who want no special deals from the government, just the Constitution.

We're competing very strongly in all the caucus states, and in all other states where delegates are up for grabs. And we're going to keep picking up delegates. Our strategy's already working.

And we're committed to winning states. I have little doubt that if we can double our efforts in this coming week, we're going to grab many delegates from other candidates. Then we'll start getting ready for the biggest moment of all - the convention in September.

The path to the convention is twisty, however. When we were in Iowa, we got 10% of the vote. But no delegates were awarded that night. That's because voters didn't directly choose national convention delegates; they selected the county and state delegates who will make that decision. And if another candidate like Mike Huckabee is no longer in the race at the time of the state convention in June, his delegates are free to support whomever they want. If we work extra hard, we can convert them into delegates for our campaign!

A similar thing happened in Nevada. We won 14% of the straw poll vote that the media reported on, but what they didn't tell you was that we may have gotten up to a third of Nevada's delegates to their county conventions! I always laughed when I heard some people say Nevada didn't matter. Nevada chooses more delegates to the national convention than South Carolina.

So, while the media will focus on the results from Florida, and probably take down the campaign of my friend Rudy in the process, those results are less important to you and me. Let them fight in Florida while we bring our message to Americans in other areas, like the economically hard-hit state of Maine.

We want to win as many delegates to the Republican National Convention as possible, even if other campaigns don't see some areas of the country as "important. But in this work, I need your help. Help me get many, many delegates to this historic convention, by these three methods.

1. Donate. Your generous contributions are essential if we're going to keep going until September. We need, frankly $5 million by February 5 to run more TV and radio ads in the Super Tuesday states. Your help means everything: https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate.

2. Canvass. You can help us identify those who support our message in your precinct. You can help us to convert others, too. After all, your neighbors pay attention to you. I am going to visit as much of the country as I can, but I need you as my partner in your area: https://voters.ronpaul2008.com.

3. ASK others to sign-up on our website. I meet so many people on the campaign trail who don't even receive my letters! I've told my campaign to make communication with you, the engine of all this, much better. But if people don't sign up for my e-mails, that won't happen. If you could just get one extra person to sign-up, that would be great. More would be tremendous.

Help me by forwarding this e-mail to every other Ron Paul supporter you know, and urging them to join our efforts! https://www.ronpaul2008.com/join.

We've come so far, but now the fun is really starting! I have a feeling the mainstream media will move from ignoring us to attacking us. But that will be a sign of our success. Join me as we continue this great movement into year two, and to a hot convention in Minneapolis-Saint Paul. We can do it!

Sincerely,

Ron

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« Reply #475 on: January 30, 2008, 08:55:19 AM »
he has no delegates..  how again will he win the nomination?    

I will vote for him in the primaries.. it will be a futile thing but.. I will.

nazis and commies and libertarians and pot heads..  It makes no difference to me.. they support him cause they have no clue as to what he really stands for.   they would got fetal if they did (save the libertarians).

everyone likes to think and say freedom and individual rights and small government..  not many really understand or even want the reality of it.

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« Reply #476 on: January 30, 2008, 09:22:12 AM »
LOL Paul = Loser

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« Reply #477 on: January 30, 2008, 09:39:04 AM »
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LOL Paul = Loser
If only your strong character and willpower didn't prevent you from throwing your own mighty hat into the ring...
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

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« Reply #478 on: January 30, 2008, 12:15:54 PM »
Higher taxes or Ron Paul.  It's your choice.

Only Ron Paul Would Cut Spending

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« Reply #479 on: January 30, 2008, 02:47:37 PM »
Oh.. I agree that only paul will cut spending..  he has no chance tho soooooo..

we look at who remains and is viable and we take the least distasteful of that group..  

lazs