Author Topic: Who is Ron Paul? (Read 12474 times)

bsdaddict · « **Reply #420 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:15:20 PM »

I'm not making excuses, Mac. I'm just saying that 10% in Iowa isn't the end of the campaign, and isn't a disappointing start at all.

We did win in the sense that this proves RP is a viable candidate. He'll come out of this in a virtual tie for third, seems tough to exclude him from the debates at that point...

bj229r · « **Reply #421 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:24:55 PM »

I don't think Iowa nor New Hampshire is very representative of the GOP base, and are given too much importance by the media

Rolex · « **Reply #422 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:28:20 PM »

In 1992, Bill Clinton only got 3% in the Iowa caucuses, and the standing VP in 1988 (GHW Bush) only got about half the votes of Bob Dole, and just a little more than Pat Robertson did. As I said before, Iowa decides
very little.

SIG220 · « **Reply #423 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:34:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
When Hillary Clinton is taking the oath of office on the steps of the US Capitol next year, don't blame Ron Paul if you "wasted your vote" on someone else. You put her there, not Ron Paul.

Clinton has no chance against Obama. Even Scarlett Johannson has now given her support to Obama.

In comparison, Hillary has the support of Barbara Streisand. nough said!!

See:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20169235,00.html

SIG 220

Rolex · « **Reply #424 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:37:49 PM »

Maybe yes, and maybe no.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #425 on:** January 03, 2008, 11:01:16 PM »

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Originally posted by bj229r
On things domestic, I don't think I've seen anything I particularly dislike about Paul (though eliminating welfare is a pipe dream...as conservative as I am, even I see that SOME of these programs have to stay in some form) Although...he finds the border fence..."offensive"??

It's when we leave the borders that I have a problem with him--
North Korea invades South Korea? <"Not my problem">
China invades Taiwan? ...............<"Not my problem">
He wants to remove every soldier from every overseas base and bring them home...That would be pissing away our trump card as the most powerful nation on Earth, and we CANT get along without the rest of the Earth, unless we can figure out how to replace all that oil we get from Saudi Arabia, (which would be under Iraqi rule but for us) and Congress won't let us drill anywhere here....and just bcause we try to be nice to Islamic murdering nutbergers doesn't mean they will reciprocate. If we remove our influence from the rest of the Earth, a vacuum will be created that will be filled by folks who will hate our guts whether we all live here in the 50 states or not. What is his view about the Pakistan situation? Ignore it and let it play out? There is more than a small chance that Alqueda sympathizers could get hold of their nukes, and for that, I'm damn glad we got people in the area who can deal with that

Minding our own borders' is our biggest problem-It's playing hell with our Medical infrastructure and Social programs. The SEATO Nations' can start to help each other more. They are closer, anyway.

The Middle East??? Yeah, we have people there. No, we can't do much outside of Iraq or Afghanistan without a massive troop redeployment that will involve force levels' much higher than anything we have now. Plus that, you can ask or take a poll of our overseas' BBS members and find out that the U.S. has ****canned it's credibility anyway. If Al-Queda get's it's hands on a Nuclear Weapon, chances are we will find out about it when the Emergency broadcast system breaks' into our favorite programming to announce whichever City in the world just got vaporized. 50,000+ troops in Iraq will be watching it on TV. Large conventional armies' are not the way to fight terrorism; That's primarily an Intel war.

As far as Oil? Might as well get someone in office who's serious about an alternative energy source, Not just some crappy bill to make CAFE standards more stringent. Hell, How much Oil money finances terrorism, anyway? How many IED's were actually financed, at their root, by oil dollars?

One thing I might add in RP wanting to pull out of the ME: He's no lap dog of the large oil companies. At this point, at least, he doesn't LOOK like a bought man.

I agree with you on trying to eliminate Welfare, though. I don't see how he could do it without a helluva big bag of problems.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #426 on:** January 03, 2008, 11:02:53 PM »

Have you guys' ever wondered, If the Iowa Caucaus actually means' as much as what it once did? Times have changed quite a bit since Ike/Dewey.

Suave · « **Reply #427 on:** January 04, 2008, 08:08:20 AM »

Look at it this way, RP got 10%, that's better than he's supposedly doing nationally, and about 90% better in the iowa caucus than the predictions I was reading. He even did better than the Republicrat self awarded hero of 9/11. Sweet vindication.

It's no surprise really that the bible thumper won in iowa. Is there anybody between the ages of 20 and 55 even living in that state? I didn't think RP would do as well as he did, but even the mainstream media concedes that he will do better in the Live Free or Die state.

bongaroo · « **Reply #428 on:** January 04, 2008, 08:48:42 AM »

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Originally posted by AWMac
Where is YOUR Ron Paul now?

shoo troll shoo!

Charon · « **Reply #429 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:30:26 AM »

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Look at it this way, RP got 10%, that's better than he's supposedly doing nationally, and about 90% better in the iowa caucus than the predictions I was reading. He even did better than the Republicrat self awarded hero of 9/11. Sweet vindication.

Absolutely. That's really a great result and I'm happy he made double digits.

Charon

Rolex · « **Reply #430 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:35:30 AM »

Especially when you consider his stance on government subsidies being spoken to the corn subsidy addicts in Iowa. Amazing, actually.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #431 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:56:01 AM »

and the fact that Iowa's an evangelical/Bush stronghold... Like I said, 10% ain't bad, we outperformed the polls (by 40%) and exceeded expectations. On to NH!!!

lazs2 · « **Reply #432 on:** January 04, 2008, 10:58:14 AM »

frode.. you think ron paul can invent an alternative energy source?

He did about as well as I would expect given the fad nature and short attention span of Americans as a whole. I expect that he will do less and less well as it goes on.

Shame really but what ya gonna do? we got guys on this board who think that they aren't being taxed enough.. that we don't have enough government in our lives and that the best way to run anything is to have congress do it...

We got so called conservatives and constitutionalists who are giving up and just sitting home hoping the democrats don't take too many of their guns away. or.. more likely that they will be special somehow and get to keep a couple.

lazs

bsdaddict · « **Reply #433 on:** January 04, 2008, 11:07:02 AM »

I'd be shocked if he didn't outperform Iowa in NH. Just about all the other contenders' campaigns are broke, or nearly so, especially Huckabee. Paul's got plenty of money in the bank to fund the campaign past super-tuesday...

I'm assuming he'll pick up steam, starting with NH. If not, then yeah, I'll start getting worried...

lazs2 · « **Reply #434 on:** January 04, 2008, 11:13:57 AM »

I am going out on a limb here but I think paul will pick up a few percentage points in NH or.. stay flat.

you shoulda bought the henry rifle.. the democrats might let you keep an old cowboy rifle... for a few years anyway.

lazs