Author Topic: Who is Ron Paul? (Read 13689 times)

bsdaddict · « **Reply #270 on:** November 19, 2007, 02:07:00 PM »

seems appropriate...

ABC News: Ron Paul - FAR Exceeding Expectations (could've done without the completely erroneous comment at the end, but whatcha gon do?)

lazs2 · « **Reply #271 on:** November 19, 2007, 02:11:12 PM »

bsd.. I think that my telling people why I like ron paul is probly the worst thing that I could do for him..

freedom from government and taxes is not what most in America want.

lazs

bsdaddict · « **Reply #272 on:** November 19, 2007, 02:28:12 PM »

so there's nothing else to admire about him other than his libertarian stances on those two topics?

It's alright to tailor your pitch to your audience, he CAN be the right candidate a wide variety of people if they're even remotely sick and tired of politics as usual. Sure, hardcore lefties/socialists who believe that gov't is there to take care of them from cradle to grave will be the toughest sells, but even some of them will appreciate his stance on civil liberties, his respect for the rule of law (the constitution) or even his integrity.

One thing worth mentioning, he has REALLY toned down the rhetoric regarding welfare. He know's thats an issue. (He hasn't changed his stance, welfare is still theft and if we weren't being taxed so damn much people would feel a whole lot more charitable, but he has clarified his priorities.) Lately he's been saying (I'm paraphrasing...) that changing foreign policy will save enough money to more than take care of those who have become dependent on the gov't. He'll work to phase out the bad/unconstitutional dept's, if possible, and not leave anybody out in the cold. Perfect example of compassionate conservatism if you ask me...

lazs2 · « **Reply #273 on:** November 19, 2007, 02:34:20 PM »

I see... so you are advocating deception? no thanks.

I don't want to convince people to vote for him based on the war.. I don't give a crap about the war except that I actually think he has his head up his butt at this point about it.

I want people to vote for him because they think the government is too big and that welfare is evil.

What you are advocating me doing is nothing better than what supporters of the other candidates do.

Nothing would make me happier that to see ron paul win with an honest campaign. If the ideas he has that are not just like the republicans are too radical to talk about... Well.. what's the point?

lazs

moot · « **Reply #274 on:** November 19, 2007, 02:42:37 PM »

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Originally posted by bsdaddict
(could've done without the completely erroneous comment at the end, but whatcha gon do?)

Yeah, with that look on her face "w00hh! I sneaked that in, did you catch that?? I'm so clever!"
Politics can really bring out the stupidest in people.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #275 on:** November 19, 2007, 02:48:12 PM »

There's no intent to deceive there. Example:

My mom was a tough "sell". She was stuck on the abortion issue. I more or less convinced her that that 1) there were larger issues at stake (mainly the economy and foreign policy) and 2) Ron Paul's stance, leaving it up to the states, was actually better, as it takes probably the #1 most divicive issue out of federal politics and allows for local victories in the fight to protect life.

She was very happy with his desire to reverse Roe v. Wade and immediately recognized that handling it on a state level is a much more winnable battle.

I didn't lie to her one bit, I simply explained mine and RPs stance. Her principles weren't compromised in the least, Ron Paul gets one more vote and America is that much closer to being saved.

(Edit: actually, now that I'm thinking about it, i didn't so much convince her. We got into the issue and she still had reservations. She wasn't "sold" until she heard that he wanted to repeal Roe v. Wade.)

moot · « **Reply #276 on:** November 19, 2007, 02:54:10 PM »

Lazs, who cares, so long as the right guy gets in...

bongaroo · « **Reply #277 on:** November 19, 2007, 03:23:47 PM »

I'm in! I'd have been a republican if the neocons hadn't made conservatism mean trying to force your religious/moral beliefs on others.

GO RP!

AKIron · « **Reply #278 on:** November 19, 2007, 03:25:44 PM »

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She wasn't "sold" until she heard that he wanted to repeal Roe v. Wade.)

Lucky for you huh?

bsdaddict · « **Reply #279 on:** November 19, 2007, 03:27:37 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Lucky for you huh?

from where do you think she heard it?

AKIron · « **Reply #280 on:** November 19, 2007, 03:28:50 PM »

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Originally posted by bsdaddict
from where do you think she heard it?

Lucky for you she wasn't pro-choice is what I meant.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #281 on:** November 19, 2007, 03:34:17 PM »

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Lucky for you she wasn't pro-choice is what I meant.

ahh, I see... In that case the argument still stands, the issue is better handled at the local level. The states rights argument doesn't take a side in the matter, it simply argues that it's a divicive (which is why the politicians love it) social issue that's better handled at the state level.

AKIron · « **Reply #282 on:** November 19, 2007, 03:37:42 PM »

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Originally posted by bsdaddict
ahh, I see... In that case the argument still stands, the issue is better handled at the local level. The states rights argument doesn't take a side in the matter, it simply argues that it's a divicive (which is why the politicians love it) social issue that's better handled at the state level.

I agree completely but advocating state rights is synonmous with waving a confederate flag to some including Al Sharpton and his cronies. How foolish to grant so much power to so few. It will bit them on the ass, just a matter of time.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #283 on:** November 19, 2007, 03:38:28 PM »

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Originally posted by bongaroo
I'm in! I'd have been a republican if the neocons hadn't made conservatism mean trying to force your religious/moral beliefs on others.

GO RP!

Thanks, you just made my day! Now go talk to people about him...

bsdaddict · « **Reply #284 on:** November 19, 2007, 03:51:08 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I agree completely but advocating state rights is synonmous with waving a confederate flag to some including Al Sharpton and his cronies. How foolish to grant so much power to so few. It will bit them on the ass, just a matter of time.

there's some who will never "see the light". Thank goodness we don't have to convince (yes, it might take some convincing...) everybody. A suprisingly small percentage of people actually "elect" the president, I'm guessing 30% of eligible voters actually vote, so you just need half of them... 15% of the people voting one way determines who wins. Theoretically, of course, 'cause the electoral college can do whatever the hell it pleases, but that's another issue...