Author Topic: The Ten Manliest Firearms (Read 2306 times)

aztec · « **Reply #45 on:** March 17, 2007, 12:37:52 AM »

Thx Laser, at those prices I can't afford not to own at least one of them, anyone have any help on which might be a better 1st purchase, I'm leanin toward the MN.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #46 on:** March 17, 2007, 09:08:00 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Tumbles? No. It fragments upon contact with human flesh. It sort of does a buck shot type thing in human flesh.

Want me to go on Mash?

Wrong. My buddy is a retired Michigan State Trooper out of the Northville Crime Lab. "The .223 bullet upon entry of the human body will ricochet and NOT fragment." He was in Ballistics for 28 years. I think he is a tad bit more knowledgeable than you.

Rino · « **Reply #47 on:** March 17, 2007, 09:24:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Wrong. My buddy is a retired Michigan State Trooper out of the Northville Crime Lab. "The .223 bullet upon entry of the human body will ricochet and NOT fragment." He was in Ballistics for 28 years. I think he is a tad bit more knowledgeable than you.

I don't know, how often was he able to catch the History Channel?

Chairboy · « **Reply #48 on:** March 17, 2007, 09:35:12 AM »

You're wasting your time, Laser ain't coming back. I've noticed how he abandons threads when he realizes that they're not going in his favor. Same thing happened on the McCain thread when he was asked to back up his 'communist apologist' statement, same thing will happen here now that he's putting his TV watching against folks who actually know better.

Back to the subject, I sure liked the article. Can't argue his rationale for the #1 position, heh.

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 17, 2007, 09:39:12 AM »

Of all my WWII rifles the smelly is my least favorite.. Garand the most.

1911's are great... any 44 mag is a good 44mag...

The 870 is a good shotgun after you fix it's unfortunate tendency to short stroke and jam... I really like my model 97 winchester shotguns more... exposed hammers on shotguns are manly. as are bayonet lugs and heat shields.

don't like double action autos but my cz75 clone in .45 is not bad with the wood grips.

Love to own a barret.

lazs

VOR · « **Reply #50 on:** March 17, 2007, 09:47:53 AM »

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Originally posted by aztec
Thx Laser, at those prices I can't afford not to own at least one of them, anyone have any help on which might be a better 1st purchase, I'm leanin toward the MN.

Get this package for under $80

If you have any questions about how to buy it and get it shipped to you, just ask. They also have the M-38 carbine model.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #51 on:** March 17, 2007, 10:21:32 AM »

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You're wasting your time, Laser ain't coming back. I've noticed how he abandons threads when he realizes that they're not going in his favor.

I know, just using FACT against his "website".

aztec · « **Reply #52 on:** March 17, 2007, 10:35:22 AM »

Thx VOR! Great site.
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TPIguy · « **Reply #53 on:** March 17, 2007, 10:39:00 AM »

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It is acceptable to wear padding to fire a Mosin.

The author is a candyass, disregard anything in that article. Hell, half the fun of shooting a Mosin-Nagant is showing off your purple shoulder to your friends.

lazs2 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 17, 2007, 10:46:57 AM »

"Kid" at work (24) bought a nagant... he came in after the weekend whining about how much it kicked. I sometimes forget people are like that.

lazs

Charon · « **Reply #55 on:** March 17, 2007, 11:38:55 AM »

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Thx VOR! Great site.

AIM is full of goodness. A lot more goodness was around 2-3 years ago, though. I'm still pissed I waited too long on the Bulgarian Makarovs that Laz jumped on. What A deal that was.

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"Kid" at work (24) bought a nagant... he came in after the weekend whining about how much it kicked. I sometimes forget people are like that.

LOL. I shot my M-38 for the first time in the fall and it is pretty brutal. Far more brutal than the Enfield No. 5 Enfield. The slightly weaker round (though probably more devestating in Ball with the tumble effect) and rubber buttpad help it out a lot. A night and day difference. It helps I have about 3000 rounds of 303 in stock, 1000 of which is pretty clean.

Charon

VOR · « **Reply #56 on:** March 17, 2007, 11:46:09 AM »

I grabbed one of the Bulgarian Maks when they had them for sale. It's an excellent little pistol that can double as a bottle opener.

I'm also a pansy when it comes to recoil. 15 years ago, I used to save my money to buy 7.62x54 and 8mm ammo and fired up as much as I could afford. I don't remember ever having an issue dealing with the recoil. Nowadays I have some problems with my shoulders and I can't tolerate much at one sitting. I ordered a PAST recoil pad so I could still enjoy my hobby without making girl faces when I pull the trigger.

I tried it on the other day when it arrived and Mrs. VOR said ,"Nice bra".

Charon · « **Reply #57 on:** March 17, 2007, 11:55:38 AM »

LOL. THE BEER PARADOX is funny and educational.

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I tried it on the other day when it arrived and Mrs. VOR said ,"Nice bra".

Yeah, I use a ***** pad with the bolt actions myself. Not an issue with the Garand or the No. 5 though (***** pad built in, and I replaced the worn out one with a new repro). I tend to try and fire 100 -200 rounds at a sitting and that makes it a necessity for me. And that M-38 was brutal even with the pad. I like to have fun and not just grit my teeth and tough it through the last 20 rounds out of pride and stubborness

Charon

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #58 on:** March 17, 2007, 01:15:35 PM »

Yes, I abandoned this thread. How dare I not immediately get on the computer once I woke up?!

Anyway, http://www.ammo-oracle.com/body.htm seems to be working right now. It's a very good site, explaining the differences between .223 and 5.56 and then explaining the differences between all the different kinds of military 5.56 rounds.

Xargos, the tumbling myth got started because the bullet used to tumble, but not necessarily in the body, nor on purpose. Just as much as hand loaders can adjust the bullet size and amount of powder to tune the loading to the specific gun to get a more accurate load, you can go the other way and get an inaccurate load.

Not counting the wrong type of powder used, the lack of cleaning kits, and poorly made barrels... The bullets used in early vietnam were detuned (though inadvertently) to the M16, resulting in wildly inaccurate bullets and sometimes resulting in the bullet tumbling in mid air causing them to be even more inaccurate.

Only after thousands of US troops died after their M16's failed them in multiple ways did the government issue cleaning kits, issue new m16's with better bullets, and fix the bullet.

But onto the topic of butt pads... Recoil of most fire arms hasn't been too big of a problem for me. The garand, any 12 gauge, the 91/30 and the 1903 were all relatively easy to shoot because I focus on the target and do not worry about the recoil.

However, the MN 91/38 carbine hurts like a ***** if I don't have the butt perfectly in the right place, and perfectly up against my shoulder. Even if I do have it perfect, it still hurts.

Xargos · « **Reply #59 on:** March 17, 2007, 01:20:05 PM »

I was trained by the State with the .223 for when I worked in the towers. What training, if any, do you have?