Author Topic: M4 Sherman (Read 3333 times)

quintv · « **Reply #30 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:18:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
The Sherman was a "raw, mass produced machine" with not close the engineering tolerances of the Tiger, Panzer 4. The T34 series (the 34/85) was in use up until 1989. The Tiger could have been a MBT for most countries until at least 1975.

The Sherman was a pile of cow dung, regardless of the "Firefly". It's armor was a joke. I'd believe a Vet THAT FOUGHT IN COMBAT with it, before a fast-food eating author. No exaggerations are needed on the Sherman.

You are as crass as you are ignorant.

Airscrew · « **Reply #31 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:37:37 PM »

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Originally posted by quintv
You are as crass as you are ignorant.

Quintv, no need for that, we can have fun with this and discuss it without slinging mud

Bronk · « **Reply #32 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:54:37 PM »

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Originally posted by quintv
They could go further and give us a lightly perked Firely.

1.It is the firefly we are getting.
2.perk??? Good gun but armor is lacking a bit, so I'd say it balances out.

Bronk

Krusty · « **Reply #33 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:57:38 PM »

Yes, I think it'll get popped early and often. Probably won't need a perk.

quintv · « **Reply #34 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:57:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
1.It is the firefly we are getting.
2.perk??? Good gun but armor is lacking a bit, so I'd say it balances out.

Bronk

Its going to be able to take a Tiger out from a significant range, from almost any angle.

Either give it a -1c like light perk, or lower the cost of the Tiger.

Bronk · « **Reply #35 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:02:55 PM »

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Originally posted by quintv
Its going to be able to take a Tiger out from a significant range, from almost any angle.

Either give it a -1c like light perk, or lower the cost of the Tiger.

I can take out tigers with a panzer at "significant range", and I'm not that good.

You want to perk the panzer also?

Just make eny close to the tiger.

Bronk

quintv · « **Reply #36 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:14:01 PM »

ahh n/m.

This is AH2.

Bronk · « **Reply #37 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:17:16 PM »

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Originally posted by quintv
What range and what angle with the L/48?

Not that I was really expecting this game to have anywhere near the fidelity of others with it comes to ground vehicles.

On the same lvl ground. Further than the firefly 1k.

With elevation beyond sight hash marks.

Bronk

Noir · « **Reply #38 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:48:14 PM »

Someone quoted that the firefly had 2 different ammos, one being way more powerfull.

Give the basic one for free, and perk the advanced ? that would make sence with the whole "perk the gun packages" stuff.

my 2 cents

Bronk · « **Reply #39 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:52:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Noir
Someone quoted that the firefly had 2 different ammos, one being way more powerfull.

Give the basic one for free, and perk the advanced ? that would make sence with the whole "perk the gun packages" stuff.

my 2 cents

Ahh forgot about that. Good point.

~~Bronk~~

Squire · « **Reply #40 on:** March 21, 2007, 07:01:20 PM »

Actually, there were many varients of the Sherman that had as good or better armor than the T-34 series or the Panzer IV series. It was up gunned and up armored in many different variations in the war, at least a dozen, if not more... just as the T-34 and Panzer IV were. All 3 were still in service in 1945.

It certainly was not a "heavy tank" and so any comparison to a Tiger is silly to start with, just as is any Sherman comparison to a Pershing or a JS-2.

E25280 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 21, 2007, 08:12:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Noir
Someone quoted that the firefly had 2 different ammos, one being way more powerfull.

Give the basic one for free, and perk the advanced ? that would make sence with the whole "perk the gun packages" stuff.

my 2 cents

The "special ammo" was APDS, the first sabot round. It is more powerful than your standard AP round because it is lighter and therefore gains much more velocity with the same charge. The "sabot" falls away as the round leaves the barrel, and a much smaller, but very dense (tungsten I believe?) core travels on to the target at an extreme velocity.

Even without APDS, the 17 pounder gun was an excellent anti-tank gun, I believe on par with the long 75mm gun the Germans mounted on the Panther. With the sabot round it was without equal.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #42 on:** March 21, 2007, 08:41:16 PM »

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Originally posted by quintv
You are as crass as you are ignorant.

and what shades are you? I know, and it cracks me up.

Ignorant? I believe you just showed everyone who is more ignorant and crass. Why? Because, the M4 regardless of Mounted Cannon, had chitty armor. You can put a Flak88 on a Sherman, it's armor will still be a weak point.

E25280 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 21, 2007, 08:50:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
and what shades are you? I know, and it cracks me up.

Ignorant? I believe you just showed everyone who is more ignorant and crass. Why? Because, the M4 regardless of Mounted Cannon, had chitty armor. You can put a Flak88 on a Sherman, it's armor will still be a weak point.

No weaker than your average PzkwIV.

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #44 on:** March 21, 2007, 09:08:25 PM »

Shermans armor was on par with Panzer IV. Jumbo Sherman had armor better than a Tiger 1, maybe even better than a Tiger II.