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Offline DocRoe

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« on: March 21, 2007, 01:57:19 PM »
Can we get the 109 Carrier variant please? we need some german planes for the carriers. Here is some info from a site i found.



With a total production run of nearly 35,000 machines, the Bf 109 filled many roles with various air forces. Perhaps the most unique variant of all was the Bf 109T- a shipboard fighter designed to fly from the deck of the never-completed carrier Graf Zeppelin. With a total of only 80 Bf 109T built, this version of the famous Messerschmitt fighter had remarkable longevity, serving from their completion in 1941 until at least 1944. A few possibly survived until 1945.

This variant was originally equipped with an arrestor hook, catapult attachments, and a more robust tailwheel to withstand the rigors of carrier operations. The most obvious physical difference were the extended wingtips. These increased the wingspan from 32’ 4.5" on the standard Bf 109E series to 36’ 4.25" on the "Toni". This longer wing had a spoiler on the top of the wing to help reduce landing speed, as well as longer leading edge slats and ailerons




please consider this and i think people would be drawn to carriers and carriers would be used more often if you added this plane in the game.


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Doc

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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2007, 02:00:52 PM »
They never flew off of carriers. Those few that were made (12, I think??) had the gear removed and were forced into service where they were most desperately needed.

Very very few were used in combat. If anything I think most were dumped on training schools, where aircraft were written off rather quickly (training, student pilots, crashes, etc).

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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2007, 02:00:55 PM »
uggh
Sorry can any move this to  " Wishlist "

or is it fine here? i just didnt really think and i thought it might be cool in aircraft section...

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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2007, 02:01:22 PM »
No German aircraft ever operated off of a carrier.  As such, German aircraft should not operate off of CVs in AH.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2007, 02:02:06 PM »
Krusty

"With a total of only 80 Bf 109T built,"

from the paragraph
but still they did go into combat and they made it through most of the war...


and even if you guys added it but without the Ability to take off from a carrier that would be cool.

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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2007, 02:17:17 PM »
What's the point of that, then?  Either way, this is a stupid idea.  Its impact on the war was nothing, its probability of being encountered by Allied pilots was zilch, and I really don't think eighty were produced, either.  This is even a weaker a case than that of the Dornier 335 or Lockheed F-80.

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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2007, 02:19:48 PM »
alright... but does anyone know any planes to add to carriers?

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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2007, 02:21:37 PM »
It is functionally already in the game, sans CV gear.  It was a modified Bf109E.
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2007, 02:22:36 PM »
At least seven were built as T-1 with carrier equipment. The other 63 were built as T-2 without carrier equipment and the T-1 "upgraded" to this standard. They were used operationally with JG77 and JG5 in Norway.
With the single T-0 built (converted E-1) this sums up to 71 aircraft of the T-series. All were built/converted by Fieseler, Kassel.

The enlarged wing should have some effect on the flying characteristics, a little better maneuverablity with slightly reduced speed (compared to the E-7/N it was based on).
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2007, 02:22:51 PM »
The Helldiver.

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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2007, 02:24:57 PM »
Well, consider that about 80 or so Ta 152s were made, but only 12 ever got to the front line.

The 109Ts were flying when the 109Fs came out. By the time the Gs came around they were retired, bumped down to training duties. They also probably didn't perform much like the 109Gs they were training pilots to fly, so they most likely went unused much of the time.

That's my guess as to how they survived -- lack of use. They're basically 109E-7s. Even the latest of the front line jabo 109Es were pulled in 1942.

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2007, 02:26:03 PM »
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alright... but does anyone know any planes to add to carriers?


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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2007, 02:28:02 PM »
Uh-oh, my reflex action just kicked in... must resist... saying.... it....... AGH!


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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2007, 02:35:30 PM »
what about the F2A Brewster Buffalo?

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2007, 02:39:17 PM »
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what about the F2A Brewster Buffalo?
Ah, that would go into the  "Iffy" category like the B7A2.  Had the gear, but never flew off of CV.
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