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Offline Gianlupo

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« Reply #165 on: March 27, 2007, 01:21:20 PM »
Then, Humble, just vote for the 55, it's the best and only choice you can do! ;)
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« Reply #166 on: March 27, 2007, 11:29:10 PM »
Another text from ww2 aircraft net.

By jank

In a little known mission, on August 4, 1944, an Aeritalia test pilot who apparently was an allied spy flew a G.55 across enemy lines. The plane was taken to England and evaluated at the Tangmere test facility. The incident apparently caused the Germans to halt further Aeritalia/Fiat production which ended in September of 1944.

I have never seen any of the test documents but I understand from others who know more about this episode that the Brits were quite impressed (one characterization I heard was "shocked") with it in relation to the Spitfire.

Below is a picture of the captured G.55 with British markings:


An old model:D
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« Reply #167 on: March 28, 2007, 12:41:37 AM »
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VWE, what's your problem? You don't like the plane and/or thread, so why do you keep posting here? Go somewhere else, thanks, we don't need you.



Well, they should decide basing on performance! ;) :D So it should be a bit slower than a G6 (high altitude), have a better handling and a better maneuverability and be more stable (again, at high altitude).


I'm not sure it would actually be slower. The G6 went through a number of modifications and addition of MW50 etc. The germans actually flew the tests vs a G4....I dont think the G6 was actually in service at the time. I do know the G55 was run at lower settings then both the 190 and 109. It was a bit heavier and had larger wing area but also was much more streamlined. I dont think it would be all that much slower given the same engine specs...especially if you put gun pods on the G6 to equalize firepower...

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« Reply #168 on: March 28, 2007, 12:50:27 AM »
For comparison:

109G-6 about 10mph shy of 400mph at 22k
109G-2 about 10mph past 400mph at 22k
G.55 about 15mph shy of 400mph but at a lower alt (?? not sure)

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« Reply #169 on: March 28, 2007, 01:31:22 AM »
How about the Performances data from G.55 site?

Max speed at 6000 m (19685 ft)
 604 km/h (375 mph)
 
Max speed at 7000 m (22966 ft)
 623 km/h (387 mph)
 
Max speed at 8000 m (26247 ft)
 630 km/h (391 mph)
 
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« Reply #170 on: March 28, 2007, 01:48:23 AM »
Those are not that great of numbers and unless your a 325th chicken tail you won't take it up that high. What's its speed on the deck to 10k? That is where I'll see most of its use and that is where it'll get slaughtered.

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« Reply #171 on: March 28, 2007, 02:12:42 AM »
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I have never seen any of the test documents but I understand from others who know more about this episode that the Brits were quite impressed (one characterization I heard was "shocked") with it in relation to the Spitfire.


I heard that they test fought it against an Avro Anson and the G.55 lost.

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« Reply #172 on: March 28, 2007, 02:36:08 AM »
Now that's just mean, funny, but mean.

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« Reply #173 on: March 28, 2007, 05:10:52 AM »
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In a little known mission, on August 4, 1944, an Aeritalia test pilot who apparently was an allied spy flew a G.55 across enemy lines. The plane was taken to England and evaluated at the Tangmere test facility. The incident apparently caused the Germans to halt further Aeritalia/Fiat production which ended in September of 1944.

I have never seen any of the test documents but I understand from others who know more about this episode that the Brits were quite impressed (one characterization I heard was "shocked") with it in relation to the Spitfire.


Never heard that the test pilot was a spy! :) AFAIK, he was contacted by men of the Regia Aeronautica Cobelligerante, infiltrated in North, and was asked to bring a G.55 in the south (all the G.55 were brought in the north, after the armistice and the factory was in Turin, so none was left in the South), because the Allies wanted one for evaluation. He was asked to bring with him a british captain evaded from a concentration camp... Agostino Serafini (that's the pilot's name), took the british in his lap and flew the plane (the MM 91150) to South Italy, were he surrendered it to the Allies... the plane was brought to Tangmere, but I have never seen anything about the testing... it would be nice to see those charts.. maybe we can ask at the http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/ site, they may have access to them.... or maybe someone else on this board can..... (hint hint! :))

The data on that site about speed seems to be correct, I have contacted the webmaster and he told me he has this Air Enthusiast International, May 1974 he claims to be the most reliable source about the G.55 Serie I... anyway, my sources say 605 km/h at 6.000 m, 620 at 7.000, so the range is that.

Humble, AFAIK, it was a G6... the test was done in February 1943, italians and germans flew each other's planes... that's what written in N.Arena, Fiat G.55 «Centauro» - Fiat G.59, Mucchi editore, 1994:

«regard the Messerschmitt Me 109/G.6, the G.55 had a longer range, superior ceiling and better stability. The Centauro had a slightly inferior speed than Gustav till 8.000 m, speed that was matched again above that altitude, where the climb rate was higher than that of the german plane, it had a higher payload and a more powerful armament, a sturdier frame. Climb to 6.000 m was just 20'' slower than G.6» (sorry the translation it's probably not perfect, but the data are correct ;))
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« Reply #174 on: March 28, 2007, 09:01:35 AM »
How about G.55's dive speed limit? Re2005 seems can dive to 980km/hr.I want to know it:t

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« Reply #175 on: March 28, 2007, 10:27:36 AM »
Right now I can't tell you anything sure. Yes, the Reggiane could dive fast, but it had troubles caused by structural weakness of the tail section (aerodynamics flutters), and they were all grounded for solving this problem.

The G.55 was more resistent than the Re.2005, it had no problem in dives. I don't know what was the Vne in dive, I guess it can reach a high speed... I'm sure Gatt can answer this question, he has the data! ;)
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« Reply #176 on: March 28, 2007, 11:06:19 AM »
EDIT: BAH! Gian beat me to it.

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How about G.55's dive speed limit? Re2005 seems can dive to 980km/hr.I want to know it:t



Actually the Re2005 had structural problems, especially with the higher speed engine. It was the most fragile of the 3, and the LW found it structurally unsound for the speeds it was travelling at, or somesuch wording. That would imply, to me, that it was not a good diving plane.

Then, the G.55 is supposedly one of the stronger airframes. It should dive well, but it's got a big wing (more drag)... The P-47 has a big wing, but a LOT more weight to pull it along in a dive. I think it would dive well but not great.

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« Reply #177 on: March 28, 2007, 11:08:18 AM »





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« Reply #178 on: March 28, 2007, 11:17:25 AM »
QuintV, all of those have their own threads, and have nothing to do with this aircraft or its service. Thank you.

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« Reply #179 on: March 28, 2007, 12:50:22 PM »
Well, this time you beat me to it, Krusty! ;)

Quintv, you seem to be a man who change ideas quickly, you were all for Yak 3, now you have 2 more candidates and, judging from avatar, the Japanes planes seem to be in pole position...

Anyway, please, stop SPAMMING this thread, go somewhere else and post pictures in the right threads.
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