New plane election

[quintv]

1/9th of your posts, at the least, involve French bashing.

You should be proud.

[quintv]

Originally posted by Bubbajj
What the hell are you people thinking? I'm as much a WWII history buff as anyone else and I've never read anywhere where anyone said that the P39 was anything but a mediocre fighter at best and, without a supercharger, it's high alt performance is worse (you aint chasin bombers down with it). A P39 would be nothing more than an underpowered underarmoured IL2. I don't know where these fevered visions of air superiority for the P39 are coming from but they are simply not supported by any type of historical data. There's a reason we gave those things to the Russians with wild abandon. Much like the Buffalo, it was pretty much scrap compared to the other rides we had. Why didn't we lend lease P51s and F6F's to the Ruskies? DUH!! If the p39 is modeled right, it will be just more cannon fodder and after the initial release, will sit in hangers unused all across HT-Land. Unless everyone is just itching to straffe land targets with that huge 30mm (it was a wierd calaber 33mm or something like that) this plane is a waste of time. You people are gonna talk Pyro into doing up the P39 then we'll all be stuck with that pig.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/pokri/pokri.htm

[BBBB]

Why do you guys keep going on and on about how the EW arena needs a new plane. Most of the player base is in the LW arenas. Why on earth would HTC throw away money on giving the very few EW guys a little known aircraft.
 That is a nitch market. The G.55 did very little in the scheme of things in WWII. The Brewster was a little better, but was out classed every place except the eastern front.
  AHII would be better served with a B25, A26 or P39.  All three of those planes will play nicely in the LW arena, and they would be really great in the other arenas.
  I feel the lack of a B25 is a glaring gap in the AHII plane set. It is a plane that contributed more to the war on every front than any other plane out there. It flew both attack missions and bombing missions, while also working antishipping and close air support.  My choice is the B25, preferably the J model I think that is the best option for a new ride. The H model wouldnt be a bad choice neather.


-BB

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Bubbajj
What the hell are you people thinking? I'm as much a WWII history buff as anyone else and I've never read anywhere where anyone said that the P39 was anything but a mediocre fighter at best and, without a supercharger, it's high alt performance is worse (you aint chasin bombers down with it). A P39 would be nothing more than an underpowered underarmoured IL2. I don't know where these fevered visions of air superiority for the P39 are coming from but they are simply not supported by any type of historical data. There's a reason we gave those things to the Russians with wild abandon. Much like the Buffalo, it was pretty much scrap compared to the other rides we had. Why didn't we lend lease P51s and F6F's to the Ruskies? DUH!! If the p39 is modeled right, it will be just more cannon fodder and after the initial release, will sit in hangers unused all across HT-Land. Unless everyone is just itching to straffe land targets with that huge 30mm (it was a wierd calaber 33mm or something like that) this plane is a waste of time. You people are gonna talk Pyro into doing up the P39 then we'll all be stuck with that pig.

You are sadly misinformed. Try getting your info from someplace other than the history channel.

From Zeno's sight

 Bell P-39Q Airacobra Vital Statistics

Type : Single seat fighter

Powerplant

One 1,200-hp (895-kW) Allison V-1710-83 liquid-cooled 12 cylinder vee piston engine, three blade Curtiss propeller

Performance

Maximum Speed:

386 mph (621km/h) at 9,500ft 92895 m)

Cruising Speed

200 mph (322k/hr)

Initial Climb: 4,000ft (1220m) per minute

Service Ceiling: 36,000ft (10973m)

Range: 650 miles (1945km)


   

Weights:

Empty: 5,610lb (2545 kg)

Max. Take-off: 8,400lb (3810kg)

Dimensions

Span: 34 ft 0 in ft (10.36m)

Length: 30 ft 23 in (9.19m)

Height: 11ft 10 in (3.61m)

Wing Area: 213 sq ft (19.79m2)

Armament

1 37mm canon

2 X 0.5 (12.7mm) Browning machine guns in fuselage

2 X 0.5 (12.7mm) Browning machine guns in optional wing pods

Bomb Load

1 X 500 lb (227 kg) bombs,

The specs are similar to what other sites and books give.

This is a MA AC once mastered. Its best below 15,000ft, just like the eastern front thats where most fights take place.

Now in the SEA setting this thing fills many holes.  US, Russian, ETO, PTO, MED, North Africa.  This little bugger was sent to do dirty jobs every where.


Bronk

Edit: Just for comparison a better P40 than we already have.
 Vital Statistics Curtiss P-40N-20 Warhawk

Type : Single seat fighter/bomber

Power plant

One 1,360-hp (1015-kW) Allison V-1710-81 liquid-cooled 12 cylinder vee piston engine

Performance

Maximum Speed:

378 mph (609km/h) at 10,500ft (3210 m)

Climb to 15,000 ft (4590m): 6 min 42 sec

Service Ceiling: 38,000ft (10973m)

Range: 240 miles (386km)

Weights:

Empty: 6000lb (2724 kg)

Max. Take-off: 8,850lb (4018kg)
   
Dimensions

Span: 37 ft 4in ft (11.42m)

Length: 33 ft 4 in (10.2m)

Height: 12ft 4 in (3.77m)

Wing Area: 236sq ft (21.95m2)

Armament

6 X 0.5 (12.7mm) Browning machine guns in wings

Bomb Load

1 X 500 lb (227 kg) bomb

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Ok lets go B29...and to even things out ..the F86 Sabre jet!..now we talking fun!
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I still like the idea of the huge transport  that could land..open up and you drive a small tank out of it! fun fun fun!
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Still like the idea of a bunch of blips up over the airfields!

[moot]

How much ammo could the 39 carry for that 37mm?

[passssao]

All in all, the most we need are usefull planes in main arena, although other planes can be pretty, in a short time they will be hangar's queens.

My vote go for:

a26 - a very fast fighter bomber

me 410 - a high step over the me-110, one of the most used attack twin engines

yak3 - very easy to model from yak 9, and for the type of fight, it is is well dressed, fast and agile to dogfight

Just my opinion, passao

Pd: by the way, salute you all

[Bronk]

Originally posted by moot
How much ammo could the 39 carry for that 37mm?

I believe it was 30 rounds.

Bronk

[quintv]

The more I think of it the more I am inclined to support the P.39.

I would prefer a 2.0cm/M2 armed variant, with the appropriate skin of course.


If we do get the P.39, are we to get multiple variants or one with different skins and ordinance packages that will be used as a cure-all?

[68slayr]

I think B25 or P39

[Bronk]

Originally posted by passssao


yak3 - very easy to model from yak 9, and for the type of fight, it is is well dressed, fast and agile to dogfight

Just my opinion, passao

Pd: by the way, salute you all

Umm since it will be up to NEW modeling specs it would be a whole new model.
So no easier/harder than a completely new AC.

Bronk

[Goat1]

Originally posted by quintv
1/9th of your posts, at the least, involve French bashing.

You should be proud.

Lighten up, it was just a joke.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by quintv
The more I think of it the more I am inclined to support the P.39.

I would prefer a 2.0cm/M2 armed variant, with the appropriate skin of course.


If we do get the P.39, are we to get multiple variants or one with different skins and ordinance packages that will be used as a cure-all?

Since its more of a load out/flight perf as opposed to visual diff. I cant see why 3 or 4 variants wouldn't be done. It would be better to do them now than to go back later.

IMO  In terms of most overlooked but widely used. The P-39 is a glaring example of it.


Bronk

[GGhost]

All unperked

First Choice:

HE 111, B-25  or G55, JU52 - heavy - M3 lift.

Second Choice:

Mig 3 or P-39 / P - 400

My Choice:

B-25 or JU52 - heavy - M3 lift.

Or maybe something different !

Grumman Duck or PBY Catalina search & rescue operations of down pilots. Both are suited for land or sea operations.

Launch the duck from the land or carrier for rescue or supplies: 1 qty - Airfield or 5 qty - VH supplies and / or 5 qty -  troops.

[Odee]

Originally posted by Goat1
Lighten up, it was just a joke.

FOCLMGBO!   hehehe

Uhm... I don't recall the French having any kind of effective Air Force at all in WW2.  

Now in WW1, yes they did, but this is WW2 so...