Me 410 lobby thread

[morfiend]

[Husky01]

Copier !!!!!!

[Warspawn]

AAaaahh...

Wouldn't it be sweet to have the 50mm variant?  The U4 used the 50 mm BK5 cannon with 21 rounds.  The BK5 cannon, derived from an anti-tank weapon, allowed the 410s to shoot at their targets from over 1,000 yards...

Juicy...

[Squire]

For CT and Scenarios, I say "yes" to the Me410...at least its not another jet.

[Hajo]

Why Lobby for a 410 when the He 219 was faster, much better all in all.  The He 219 was the chief combatant of the Mossie.  After all the 410 was just an update of the 210 which even by LW test pilot standards was unflyable.

Also....the He 219 had up to 4 20mm cannon as well as 4 30mm cannon.
With a top speed OVER the Mosquito and the P38.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Hajo
Why Lobby for a 410 when the He 219 was faster, much better all in all.

Because the 410 was a day-fighter / destroyer / recon / light night bomber plane, the He 219 was a night fighter exclusively. (The 410 was never a nightfighter)

Also, I would be very sceptical of that amazing speed some books claim for the He 219. While there where certain lighter armed  (and very rare, even by 219 standards) variants with uprated engines which were indeed capable of reaching 640 km/h & more, the usual night fighter variants with their high-drag antennas, inreased weight (especially with the belly gun pack including the 30mm cannons) did not even come close to these numbers. The major variant, the 219 A-5 was not faster than 570-580 km/h and reportedly "not overpowered"

And the term "just an update of the 210" is debatable too. Different engines, a lenghted fuselage, new slats removed the catastrophic instabilty problems of the 210.

[Krusty]

Lusche, actually, if you dig up the old 410 thread in aircraft and vehicles, it *was* a night fighter, but did so without the radar installed.

As for the BK 50, you won't see it. Hitech has said he doesn't want folks to sit 2k outside of bomber guns and snipe them off with ease, so he's not adding the BK50 or the TseTse for the Mossie.

There are a plethora of other weapons packages, however. I've been looking forward to its addition to this game for some time!


EDIT: They went back to the drawing boards for the 410. It's not just a "new" 210. The entire wing was redesigned. That redesign made the 410 more than flyable, and fixed the flaws the 210 had.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Krusty
Lusche, actually, if you dig up the old 410 thread in aircraft and vehicles, it *was* a night fighter, but did so without the radar installed.
 

This is an old myth, but still untrue. There were a few 410 issued to some nightfighter squadrons, but those weren't used as fighters, but soley for the bombardment of England (mostly Bomber command airfields). They didn't have even night fighter equipment.
Also, some 410 have been falsely identified as having night-fighter radar. But in fact these were recon variants carrying the FuG 200 Hohentwiel radar, which was capable of finding naval targets only.

[Krusty]

There were night fighter 109Gs, 109Es, Hurricanes. There were many F6Fs and F4us that fought at night without any radar whatsoever.

It doesn't take special equipment to fight at night. Just a radio, a stable aircraft, and a good pilot.

Posted by Scherf:

Actually, I'm glad the thread was resurrected, as I now have to retract my earlier statements, since the fellow who runs this site:

http://www.gyges.dk/

recently found an original German document listing KG 51 and its Me 410s in a Wilde Sau Order of Battle.

Details are here:

http://www.gyges.dk/Wilde%20Sau%20Frankrig.htm

So, night-fighters (as opposed to Intruders) after all, though still without radar.

Link to the thread in question

[kamilyun]

No.  


We do not need another ubercannon HO machine in the LW arena.

[Hajo]

410 is a nice looking aircraft....but I've seen more pictures of them crashed on the shores of Europe then in the air scoring kills.  Methinks the coolness of it's looks has a lot to do with it's popularity  but it's functionality was...well very marginal.  At least the 219 has some "uberness" to it.  Me 410 just another failed try by the powers that be to turn one aircraft into a jack of all trades aircraft and master of none.  The 219 at least was good at what it was designed for....the 410 was designed to be a multifunction aircraft that did nothing particularly well but get shot down.  Me 410 was generally outclassed by anything the allies had. (Pony, Spit, Jug , and 38)  forgot the mossie also outclassed it by a wide margin.

[Krusty]

Hajo, keep in mind the 410 first flew in December of 1942. It saw a lot of action in 1943. The 210 looks a lot like the 410, and a lot of the "crashed" photos I've seen have been labeled as 210s, which had severe stability problems.

So, the 410 was a 1943 aircraft that had upwards of 4 MG151/20s and 2 MG17s, could reach speeds of almost 390mph, a stone's throw from the later 1944 FW190a8, but it came earlier, with more firepower, and almost just as fast.

It was quite capable in the world of 1943, before P47s, before P51s, before Spits with super boosted engines, tempests, and other speed demons.

[moot]

One great thing about flying it, not mentionned yet, is the glass cockpit.  It would make lead shots with those guns real easy.

[Krusty]

True. And dive bomb attacks, as well!

It could carry 2x 500kg internal, and 2 more 500kg external (and supposedly in some cases, 2x 1000kg external). That would make it easy to watch your target longer before you drop the bomb on it.

[Karnak]

According to what I have read the He219 not only never reached the manufacturer's claim of 419mph in service, it never even broke 400mph in level flight in service.