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Offline tedrbr

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« Reply #150 on: April 05, 2007, 07:18:13 PM »
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why is everyone voting for the a26? b25 can carrier    a bigger payload and has better protection then the a26. I like the a26 but, it would get chewed up just like the a20 now. the only good thing about it is its bigger, faster and a better payload then the a20. The a26 would be good for short bombing runs. all im saying is that the a26 would be a good plane but not yet, the b25 would be used more and it can take more punishment.



Wrong.  B-25 is an EW bomber which is just a little less capable than the B-26 in game now.  

A-26B/C (6,000lbs) Carried more than A-20G (4,000 lbs), B-26B (4,000lbs), and B-25C/D (3,000lbs typ).  A-26 is faster than the A-20, B-26, and B-25.  A-26 had provisions for 2 drop tanks, which I don't think the B-25 did, which would put the A-26's range over the top for all three of the bombers it replaced (the A-20, B-26, and B-25).  A-26 just a little bit bigger in dimensions (and quite a bit heavier), than the A-20.

The B-25 did have more defensive guns (and larger crews) to the A-26's two barbettes controlled by one gunner, but the A-26 is also a much faster, more maneuverable, and much smaller target to hit than the B-25.  So, speed maneuverability and smaller target vs 70mph slower, much larger, and 2 or 3 extra gun positions?

The B-25 has no more defensive capability than the B-26 in the game, and the B-26 is faster and carries more ord than the B-25 did on a typical mission.


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B-25B--284 mph-----5,207 lbs bombs

B-25H--274 mph-----3,004 lbs bombs

A-26B--353 mph-----4,004 lbs bombs

 


I know the Wiki article on the B-25B is wrong as to bomb load carried.  I've checked several other sources, and have been corrected by other members in this forum.  The early B-25B could only carry 2,000 lbs worth of bombs... 4 X 500#s.  The later B-25's bumped that up to 3,000 lbs ord for most typical missions, or 4,000 lbs of ord on short-ranged missions (light fuel load) and use of under wing mounts.  Don't know where the 5K number came from, but I suppose it's possible under some configuration.

A-26 was always 4,000 lbs internal ord in 2 bomb bays (same as typical B-26 or overloaded B-25), and up to an additional 2,000 lbs on 4 wing points (but will reduce speed due to drag). So A-26 could carry 6,000 lbs of ord at most, which is TWICE what a later model B-25 could carry on a typical mission, and can still run faster than the B-25 with the ord on the wings.  Even just using internal bomb bays, the A-26 beats a B-25 for typical bomb loads by 25%.  

And if we get the A-26C as well as the B, it could run as fast as 374mph with a clean wing.

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« Reply #151 on: April 05, 2007, 07:38:35 PM »
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Watch out GIAN, I have pictures of you and AM NOT afraid to post here,  you Itallian stallion!   PICK P39, the OTHER white meat


I'm not afraid, too! :D

Yeah, I'm voting for the P39, Teufl, you know I'm a bomber guy! :rolleyes: :D

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« Reply #152 on: April 05, 2007, 08:24:20 PM »
I know the Wiki article on the B-25B is wrong as to bomb load carried. I've checked several other sources, and have been corrected by other members in this forum. The early B-25B could only carry 2,000 lbs worth of bombs... 4 X 500#s. The later B-25's bumped that up to 3,000 lbs ord for most typical missions, or 4,000 lbs of ord on short-ranged missions (light fuel load) and use of under wing mounts. Don't know where the 5K number came from, but I suppose it's possible under some configuration.




MY Bad!!!

my "B" figures were actually for the B-25 C

from the " complete book of world war 2 aircraft"
by angelucci, matricardi and pinto.




ooooops,

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« Reply #153 on: April 05, 2007, 09:21:13 PM »
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I'm glad that we're down to the last three finalists, The Flamebait Soapopera Pursefights in the initial campaign threads at the start of the vote were getting hard on the eyes.


Now we can find all the happy fun slapfights in one place! Hurrah.

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« Reply #154 on: April 06, 2007, 10:38:47 AM »
No, scotty, they're starting multiple thread/whine's again, already.

As if simply getting a new plane(when one wasn't originally planned) wasn't enough.

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« Reply #155 on: April 06, 2007, 10:03:57 PM »
another american bomber:/ im kinda disspointed in that fact..great planes..but most of the bombers we got are american bombers..i didnt think we would end up with more us planes..before we got some other countries bombers and planes...next time hightech..leave the votes out!! and just take suggestion's.. hehe

i would of liked a more rounded choice of warbirds..instead of such a allied bias selection...but i guess if its a usa bomber,,b25...im still in aw over the voting thou...we mite as well call this game allied high pretty soon:)<~~oohh yes..whine!! hehe,,jk

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« Reply #156 on: April 07, 2007, 09:49:39 AM »
I'm sure HTC finds it frustrating that they bring us a new ride, allow the general community to make the decision (that is a first ever BTW) and they still get B'ed at for doing so. Frankly I am glad to see earlier models getting added, we have more than enough of the 1945 planeset in the game already IMNSHO, those rides clearly dominate the plane choices in the LW quake arenas.

But since we are always in the mood to gripe I guess I'll make one, but I'll couch it as a suggestion :D

I figure the cost to create an entirely new 3D model and the associated FM for a new ride like any of the ones we voted for would require to be very significant to a small development team. If I were making the call I'd fill in the existing planeset some more with variants to existing models. Do it sometimes with new versions (P38F/P47C/B17F/P40N/etc), or with additional loadouts for existing models. That is why I voted for the Yak3 early on, It seems that would be easier to implement since we already have much (at least some) of the work done, getting the Yak1 added later would be nice.

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« Reply #157 on: April 07, 2007, 02:06:01 PM »
Good call Edbert, was flying LW earlier today and everybody(EVERYBODY) complaining about p39 being a hanger queen.......I fly EW enough to see the REAL need for 1939-42 planes.  HE111 would have been good, but I had my eye on the p39 since day 1.  I think the A26, a great plane to fly in Air Warrior, would have been used for something it would have never done in real life, either a fighter or bomber interceptor.   P39 the OTHER white meat!:aok
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« Reply #158 on: April 07, 2007, 04:33:39 PM »
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Good call Edbert, was flying LW earlier today and everybody(EVERYBODY) complaining about p39 being a hanger queen.......I fly EW enough to see the REAL need for 1939-42 planes.  HE111 would have been good, but I had my eye on the p39 since day 1.  I think the A26, a great plane to fly in Air Warrior, would have been used for something it would have never done in real life, either a fighter or bomber interceptor.   P39 the OTHER white meat!:aok


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Anyone who thinks the P-39 will be a hanger queen is in for a rude awakening.

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« Reply #159 on: April 07, 2007, 04:53:04 PM »
See you in the weeds!:D

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« Reply #160 on: April 07, 2007, 05:12:34 PM »
I would like to vote for two small planes.
The Fokker Dr1 and The Sopwith Camel    :D
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« Reply #161 on: April 08, 2007, 05:08:11 AM »
Whats with the zero sum theory of life...lets make everyone happy and get both the b25 and p39.....Kudos to hitech.
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« Reply #162 on: April 08, 2007, 11:03:42 AM »
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LO....

Anyone who thinks the P-39 will be a hanger queen is in for a rude awakening.


wholeheartedly agree.

But it is the most common arguement used by people in an attempt to deter support for planes the person making the arguement against said plane they dont like.

39 will be used no doubt. Probably not as much as the dweebfires or Lgays.
Buit it will be used

Alot will depend on how its modeled.
If its a relitively challanging bird to fly you will see the two ranges.  Either the very new or the skilled pilots in them mostly.

If its an easy bird like say. the spit . You will see a wide range of people in them. All looking to get the most kills the easiest way possible
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« Reply #163 on: April 08, 2007, 11:09:30 AM »
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I'm sure HTC finds it frustrating that they bring us a new ride, allow the general community to make the decision (that is a first ever BTW) and they still get B'ed at for doing so.  



LOL I think HTC knew exactly what they were in for before they even decided to put it to a vote.

They probably just decided to give us somethign to pre occupy us so they can get some work done whilst we argue amongst ourselves LOL

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« Reply #164 on: April 08, 2007, 02:50:09 PM »
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Sometimes children make the best babysitters  for each other ;)


So true, so true.