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« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2007, 10:39:36 AM »
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I know, Bronk, I did'nt see that post by pyro...But, IF they were to give us a 25H, with the 75, then we could have some hope of seeing the Tse-tse fly, or 410 with the 50mm gun. I mean, the cat would be outta the bag, so to speak.

How the 25H would impact the arena's is only a guess, It would depend on ammo options for the 75.(AP wielding Mitchell's in TT, for example, or knocking out CV group ships with HE.)


This is why you should vote for it. It would set precedent for other flying large cannon birds. While I believe the B-25's was HE only. Others were not. The gv part of this game is growing (I say this by the numbers of tankers at tt.). Anti GV AC should reflect that growth.

Air craft like the Ju87-G2 and the Il2 type 3 (think is is the right variant)and other  anti GV AC. Would IMHO keep blatant tiger spawn campers a bit of pause. No more sitting on top of a hill with a clear view of the spawn.  They'd have to at least get in a bit of cover, with limited view and firing opportunities.

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« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2007, 12:35:15 PM »
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and the Il2 type 3 (think is is the right variant)and other  anti GV AC


IL10 ?
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« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2007, 01:21:17 PM »
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IL10 ?


Nope

Il-2 Type 3M - 37 mm Nudelman-Suranov NS-37 cannons, instead of 23 mm VYa cannons.


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« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2007, 02:26:57 PM »
I'm gonna do a quick little rundown of what it seems are the leading contenders, judging by the threads started.

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     The Brewster. It is almost a national icon in Finland, and achieved a heckova kill ratio there. But, being either on par, or inferior in performance to the current F4F, I would guess it would be a hangar queen outside of AvA or scenarios(and possibly the EW, at least until the novelty wore off.)

     The G.55-If you go to that thread and read performance stats, It would be a fighter plane that would hold it's own in either the MW or even LW. However, it would be exactly that-Just another fighter. We have plenty of those already.(P-51,F4U,Typh,Fw-190,ME-109,etc.)

     P-39: Historically important(like the Brewster), Used by most of the allied nations, Not particularly fast, but Heavily armed. Not sure about it's manueverability, gotta see one from HTC before we could judge it. Might span all the MA's, but not sure about EW.

     The HE-111, a bomber this time, has been wanted for a complete BoB scenario since the start. As far as usage in the MA, It would be useful in EW/MW for sure. Especially EW. If it's allowed it's historical ord options.

     The B-25, which would span several models, Is kinda up in the air as far as usage goes, because it depends on which B-25 it is. The Earlier ones, such as the C's, would be used in the EW or MW for sure. The later Gun pack models could make quite an impact on the LW's, especially if it was the 75mm. version. Therefore, It depends on HTC as to which version we get.

     A Yak-3, if modeled as the most manueverable fighter of the war at low lvl, as has been claimed, would definetely get usage, even in the competitive LW arena's. If it could outturn, or at least turn with a Zeke, but be about 60 mph. faster, this thing would be a monster.

     The Japanese planesets have several proposals pushed forward, which while filling several holes in AvA and scenario planesets, would be hard to gauge their impact on the MA crowd. For example, the P-51B is a pony, performance is not very much different from it's P-51D sibling, but it does'nt get even half as much usage as the D. Why? Probably the armament and views. The same thing will apply to the Japanese planeset. The Ki-44, whilst being a good performer, was armed with 4x 12.7mm machineguns in it's most produced version. There were cannon armed versions, but whether or not this is the one we get, is up in the air. The J2M2 and J2m3 were armed with 4x20mm's...These would probably get more usage than their lack of manuverability would lead you to believe.The Ki-43, which would be EW, would have the weakest Fighter armament of any fighter in the game(2X7.7mm's for early models, 2x12.7mm's in ltr) and would be one of the slowest as well. But, It's manuverability and turning radius would be even better than the A6m's.

     The ME-410, While seeming to be an improvement over the 110G, would'nt truly be a departure until fitted with the 50mm AT gun. Alot of incomplete data on this plane, concerning turning radius, climb, etc. This one is harder to guess at...But it would have about the same impact, gameplay wise, as the 110.

     This list is by no means complete. We still have some of the aircraft listed by Pyro that aren't here. But, These seem to be the ones with the most supporters at the moment. The real problem with this list, is that we eventually could use ALL of them. The biggest problem with this whole voting process is the fact that we only get one.

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« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2007, 02:31:42 PM »
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Il-2 Type 3M - 37 mm Nudelman-Suranov NS-37 cannons, instead of 23 mm VYa cannons.
 


Ahh the Il-2-37. 2 x NS37 with 50 rnds per gun. But at 552lbs per gun the plane was both difficult to fly and aim accurately.

A small batch deployed during Kursk did not see much use afterwards.
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« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2007, 02:41:31 PM »
Tilt anything with that weight added to it becomes more difficult to fly.
Yak-t vs Yak U
Hurri IIc vs IId

I find that plinking GV with heavy cannon much more fun than egging them.
The point was just to get more of that type of AC (anti tank) in game.

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« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2007, 05:05:16 PM »
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Considering the work that has gone on for CT, I honestly don't think HTC is concerned about the status or repercussions of this new plane in regard to the MA.

There are a lot of early war gaps that will need to be filled to give the CT a viable immersive feel.


If CT really does start at the end of the war, the early years aren't going to be of much concern.


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Another furballer? How many of you, had you the oppurtunity to vote on it, would have voted against aircraft we already have in the game??? Would you have voted for the LA-7? The Lanc? The HurriIIC?


Given the chance, I wouldn't vote against adding anything. The more the merrier. There are planes I'd rather see first, but I wouldn't remove anything but formations.

Lastly, with regards to the "it would have to be perked" mindset- remember the Ki-84 whines that started before anyone had even flown one? To hear some people, it was going to become the only fighter anyone flew, and was going to do everything too well, and would have to be perked, or the earth would stop rotating around the sun. Those guys turned out to be completely off base as well.
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« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2007, 05:16:26 PM »
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Lastly, with regards to the "it would have to be perked" mindset- remember the Ki-84 whines that started before anyone had even flown one? To hear some people, it was going to become the only fighter anyone flew, and was going to do everything too well, and would have to be perked, or the earth would stop rotating around the sun. Those guys turned out to be completely off base as well.


I sometimes wonder, Hubs, If that's why the Ki-84 is the only LW Fighter plane we have that comes apart in a dive.

That plane isn't an uber ride because it has some of the most horrible dive characteristics of any plane in the game.

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« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2007, 05:42:51 PM »
Hey! I fly that plane most of the times and it's not that horrible if you know how to dive it! I can pull out of dives at 450 mph, with everything around me making sinister sounds.... :D

Anyway, back on topic...

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The G.55-If you go to that thread and read performance stats, It would be a fighter plane that would hold it's own in either the MW or even LW. However, it would be exactly that-Just another fighter. We have plenty of those already.(P-51,F4U,Typh,Fw-190,ME-109,etc.)


As you said, Frode, the G.55 would hold its own in MW AND in LWs. Just another fighter, you say? Well, then that applies to many of the entries, including the Yak3, the P39, the Japanese planes and the Brewster... so why not a G.55? I think this plane can do good, both in MAs and the incoming CT: it has a fair speed, good handling and maneuverability, especially at high altitude, it's a stable plane and has a powerful armament with a good ammo load. While some of the planes proposed could do well only in the AvA or SEA, and have use in those arenas, the G.55 would be used in MAs, and it wouldn't be a hangar queen. The C.205 already has its lovers: well both the Regia Aeronautica and the Luftwaffe thought the G.55 was better than the Veltro!

So, think about it, this plane is a good addition to the game, not only for historical scenarios, but even, and above all, for MAs and CT.

Tilt, if you want to know more about it: http://xoomer.alice.it/g55/index.htm. This site has good info, watch especially the "Data" and "History" section: just mind the footnotes, the author added more sources without updating the reference in the notes, so they're not correct (but the data are ;))
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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2007, 05:57:14 PM »
I dont buy into the "hangar queen" arguement for any plane.
I see em all in the MA. There are very few real hangar queens.
Actually the most hangar queened planes are IMO the perked planes
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« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2007, 09:45:15 PM »
Screw the oddball planes. P-39 or B-25! We need more American planes, especially those that served for long periods, or in many theaters. While I'd love to see everything make it in eventually, the one hit wonders and oddballs should take a backseat, IMO. Anything that would mesh well with the MAs, and open up new possibilities for Spec Events and scenarios (more than a single event, to be specific) would seem to offer the most bang for the buck, both for the MA and SEA crowds.

End shameless plug for the 2 I'd prefer. ;)
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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2007, 04:46:00 AM »
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Anything that would mesh well with the MAs, and open up new possibilities for Spec Events and scenarios (more than a single event, to be specific) would seem to offer the most bang for the buck, both for the MA and SEA crowds.


That's right. But we have enough American planes, for now. Vote for something else, something that may be good for Scenarios and especially MAs and CT... guess what? :D
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« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2007, 05:18:47 AM »
squash the brewster, its junk guys!!!!, turns worse and is slower that an f4f4 ............................
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