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Yak-3 is a good choice.
« on: April 02, 2007, 07:14:16 PM »
Its range is no worse than a Spit IX or a 109G on internal fuel.

Has a very good armament package for air combat vs fighters: 1 x 20mm SHVAK and 2 x 12.7 mm UBS, all nose mounted guns.

Its best alt is below 15k.

It has a very good climb rate.

Capable of 400mph + and is also manueverable. It was probably the best "dogfighter" the VVS used in WW2. It was greatly respected by the LW pilots that flew against it.

Great cockpit visibility with a single glass peice in front.

It saw action in quantity, and would be an awesome MA ride, not just a Scenario hanger queen.

Oh, ya, its not another bomber, or a 1945 a/c, which we dont need.

Vote Yak-3.

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2007, 07:23:18 PM »
The biggest reason to vote for the Yak is that it is Russian.  Russian planes are terribly underrepresented in AHII.  It’s also a decent plane that will hold its own.

Of course, the P-39 can also play Russian or US and early war depending on the model.  I hope it comes down to these two.

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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2007, 07:46:17 PM »
The Yak-3 was also a great Dora killer.


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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2007, 08:00:36 PM »
Hold on thats a little faster than LA-7...  interesting... :noid

is it better than yak 9U? :confused:

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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2007, 08:13:57 PM »
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Its range is no worse than a Spit IX or a 109G on internal fuel.



This is the only point I might disagree with.

Spit IX has 35 minutes on internal fuel (Soda)
109G2 and G6 each has 25 minutes on internal fuel (Soda)
Yak 9U has 28 minutes at full power (Soda)

Yak 3, IIRC, held less fuel than the Yak 9U to keep the plane light for maneuverability in it's air superiority role.  Yak 3 was even smaller than the Yak9 (see below).

Range of the Yak 9D listed as 845 miles
Range of the Yak 3 Range: 405 miles to 559 miles (sources vary)

From these numbers, I'm estimating that a Yak 3 has enough fuel for a full power flight of 13 to 20 minutes, in-game arenas.   It's short legs in the 2X fuel burn War Arenas are one of the biggest points against an otherwise great little dog-fighter.

YAK-9D
# Length: 28 ft 0 in (8.55 m)
# Wingspan: 31 ft 11 in (9.74 m)
# Height: 9 ft 10 in (3.00 m)
# Wing area: 185.1 ft² (17.2 m²)
# Empty weight: 5,170 lb (2,350 kg)
# Loaded weight: 6,858 lb (3,117 kg)  (+ 1,688 lbs)

YAK-3
# Length:  27 ft 10 in  (8.5 m)
# Wingspan:  30 ft 2 in  (9.2 m)
# Height:  7 ft 11 in  (2.39 m)
# Wing area:  159.8 ft² (14.85 m²)
# Empty weight:  4,640 lb (2,105 kg)
# Loaded weight:  5,864 lb  (2,692 kg)   (+ 1,224 lbs) ** 464 lbs difference from Yak9.


Still, I'd much rather see a Yak-3 than a B-25, but my vote is still for a second buff perk ride for the game.



AND NO, the Yak 3 is actually a little slower that the Yak 9U, which was an Interceptor to the Yak-3's Air Superiority role.  Definitely slower than an La-7's top speed ---  although, Yak-3 probably has better acceleration than the LaLa.
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2007, 08:26:54 PM »
Yak 3 is 15mph slower then the 9U we have. It has marginally better wing loading and climbs about 300-400 ft/min better from what I've found. I think it will accelerate a bit faster as well. It rolls better and has a reputation as a T&Ber but it has small wing surface area....I dont think its sustained turn rate is going to be all that much better then the 9U we have. I'll take eithe the 39 or yak-3 and be happy....but in the end once we have both I think the 39 will be a better performer in the MA.

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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2007, 08:30:05 PM »
Well, the much vaunted LA-7 in the MA has a fuel supply of @ 22 minutes at full power, yet that doesnt seem to stop its "prolific" use.

The Yak-9T has about the same.

...no Russian fighter is going to be huge on range. No big surprise.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2007, 08:32:51 PM »
The Yak-3 is also going to be a great little DEFCAP plane.


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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2007, 08:58:00 PM »
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Well, the much vaunted LA-7 in the MA has a fuel supply of @ 22 minutes at full power, yet that doesn't seem to stop its "prolific" use.

The Yak-9T has about the same.

...no Russian fighter is going to be huge on range. No big surprise.


Soda's site puts the La-7 at 28 minutes, and I was using his data for this, same as the Yak-9's.  But 13 to 20 minutes?  1/2 to 2/3rds the time other Russian aircraft can stay in the air?  That may prove a bit extreme.

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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2007, 09:16:12 PM »
The YakT, on cruise settings, can fly around for a nice little bit. I don't see why the Yak-3 wouldn't be able to do so as well. Not every plane in the game is setup to fly for long periods of time over tremendous ranges, yet they still see use in the game.

Plus, the plane and its model doesn't even exist yet, so it's probably a bit early to start discussing its shortcomings.
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2007, 09:37:04 PM »
The range for a Yak-9 is 410 miles, and its 405 miles for a Yak-3, so I cant see there being a huge difference either.

The Yak-9T carries no more fuel than a Yak-9 does. We dont have the Yak-9D (long range version) in AH.

I make no bones about it being a short range fighter, it is. I would guess its endurance to be about what a Spit Vs is.
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2007, 09:56:30 PM »
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Oh, ya, its not another bomber, or a 1945 a/c, which we dont need.



1944 is a little close to 1945 don't you think?  I would prefer the P-39 since it would be the only early war Russian plane besides the IL-2.  The Yak-3 is in the same class as La-5/7 Yak-9 (late war plane).

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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2007, 10:07:55 PM »
Yak-3 is a good fighter, but it really doesn't bring much more to the table than the Yak-9U does. It should roll and turn somewhat better, but it will also be somewhat slower. Even though it is significantly lighter than the Yak-9U, it also has a much weaker engine. It is not going to be the magical combination of La-7 and Spit16 that some people are hoping for. Also, it won't be available in the mid war arena since it didn't see combat until 1944. It will probably just relegate the Yak-9U to the hanger since even though it is slower it will turn better, making it easier for less experienced players to use.

Additionally, if correctly modeled it should shed parts at high speed or G like the Ki-84 due to plywood construction.

IMO, the Soviet planeset would be much better off with a 1941-43 fighter, or even the P-39 with a Russian skin.

That being said, if it comes down to Yak-3 or A-26 I will vote Yak-3.
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2007, 10:24:08 PM »
Has Soda updated his site?
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2007, 10:37:43 PM »
"Additionally, if correctly modeled it should shed parts at high speed or G like the Ki-84 due to plywood construction."

Provide a source, I have never come across anything even remotely suggesting the above. Sounds like a "We Love The P-51 Cuz it Ruled" quote to me from the typical anti-Russian cuz its Russian crowd.

As for the Yak-3 being 1944, well, yes it was, but thats a far cry from the F8F Bearcat that saw no service at all, P-63, or the G55 which served in a few squadrons, or many of the other late war and few built suggestions I have seen here. So, Im perfectly happy with it. At least it was a significant fighter that actually saw real action, its not a "the Soviets built 120 in May of 1945 and flew three for trials" picks. Its not a B-29 with a nuke, or a Do335, or another freaking jet.  

As for the P-39, its a close second on my list. I will be happy if it makes it too. ;)
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