Poison Pet Food Thread

[myelo]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
kamilkun, if you only feed your cats tuna, you are killing them.  Toulene(sp?) is needed by cats for proper vision.  Without it, they will die prematurely.  

It's taurine. Tuna fish actually has a decent amount of taurine, but that's the least of your cat's problems if they're eating an all tuna diet. It's deficient in calcium, other minerals, several vitamins and several essential fatty acids. It's really a very poor diet for cats.

[Skuzzy]

Thank you for the correction myelo.  I had not had my coffee.  However, I thought taurine was only available in red meat.  Thanks again.

What was I thinking?  Isn't toulene some type of industrial strength petroleum chemical used when acetone is not strong enough?  Yeah, feed that to your cat and other problems would ensue.  OY!

[myelo]

There is no valid scientific evidence that ethoxyquin in levels used in pet foods are associated with any health problems (I'd be happy to get into the details of all this if anyone is interested).  But In the US it's pretty much a moot point since ethoxyquin has been replaced with BHA/BHT or mixed tocopherols in most pet foods because of the bad publicity.

[myelo]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
However, I thought taurine was only available in red meat.  

It's also in a lot of fish and shellfish. In fact, back when dilated cardiomyopathy in cats on taurine deficient diet was first recognized, clam juice was often suggested as a taurine supplement to feed to cats (although it's actually not a very good one).

[Rolex]

There seems to be a mixup in the facts or your source, Sundowner. The FDA released the name of the Chinese company that producd it (Xuzhou Anying Biological Technology of Peixian, China), but refused to release the name of the US distributor.

[Shuffler]

lol.... vets tell you not to feed your dog table scraps... my opinion is they don't want your dog to be too healthy as then the vet is not needed as much. My dogs eat different types of dog food never the same.... and the occasional wild anmal that roams inside the fence, including feral cats from the surrounding pastures.

[WilldCrd]

Well, for the last few years i have given my pets an ALL natural diet. My butcher sets aside meat for several of his customers to buy specifically for our dogs and even cats. i make their meals daily before mine. My rotty gets copius amounts of meat, chicken some veggies and fiber. The cats <3 of em> i mix it up cause welll...they are cats and finicky lil biotches normally they get tuna, chicken, lil milk on the side and all the mice, lizards and birds they can catch....wich is actually alot if you go by the amount of "gifts" they leave me.


As for Rocky < the rotty> he weighs in at an impressive 145lbs. I have several neighbors that got pups from the same litter. Only 1 feeds his like I do mine and His rotty weighs 152lbs the others are roughly half that to 100lbs .
My dog is extremely active and full of piss and viniger.
Even my vet recommends an all natural diet as opposed to store bought wether its average or even "premium" food.
i garuntee you that if you have a dog or cat and you take the time to fix em up REAL natural food you willl see a HUGE difference pretty damn fast.


Oh and as for being worth it, Rocky is my best freind and the cats...well they have there moments.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
What soft food do you like for your animals Toad?

None!

I feed dry exclusively as I have better luck keeping their teeth pearly white. My labs have literally no tooth buildup; I attribute this to dry food, steamed beef bones to chew on and the occasional leather chew.

As for premium vs premium...

I'm feeding this right now - Natural Balance; all ingredients meet USDA standards for human consumption.

Brown Rice, Chicken, Duck Meal, Lamb Meal, Oatmeal, Barley, Potatoes, Carrots, Potato Fiber, Chicken Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Natural Flavor, Brewers Yeast, Fish Meal, Salmon Oil, Lecithin, Whole Ground Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Inulin, Taurine, Spinach, Parsley Flakes, Cranberry, Lysine, L-Carnitine, Yucca, Kelp, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2), Vitamin D Supplement, Folic Acid (Vitamin B).


Science Diet in the comparable ration:

Ground Whole Grain Corn, Chicken By-Product Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Soybean Mill Run, Flaxseed, Chicken Liver Flavor, Dried Egg Product, Potassium Chloride, Dried Chicken Cartilage, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Iodized Salt, Taurine, L-Lysine, L-Tryptophan, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), L-carnitine, DL-methionine, Dicalcium Phosphate, preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, L-Arginine, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.


For example: The Chicken in Natural Balance is: Chicken: the clean combination of flesh and skin with or without accompanying bone, derived from the parts or whole carcasses of chicken or a combination thereof, exclusive of feathers, heads, feet and entrails.




The Science Diet Chicken By-Product Meal consists of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines, exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as might occur unavoidable in good processing practice

If you want to decipher a label, go


Here


There are decent foods out there but you have to read the labels just as you do with everything else.

Even with that, I'm thinking of switching to making my own ration for the dogs.

[Sikboy]

Does Lyndon LaRouche have anything to say about this? It sounds like he should.

-Sik

[Xargos]

You guys are serious about your pets, not that there is anything wrong with that.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Xargos
You guys are serious about your pets, not that there is anything wrong with that.

The better you care for them, the better they taste when it's time to harvest.

[Skuzzy]

Toad, I have to feed my cat some soft food.  She has a small liver issue and if she gets too much protein it will kill her.  We almost lost her once before we knew about the problem.  Up to the time we rushed her to the vet, she had nothing but hard food.  I felt the same way as you.  Keeps the teeth clean.

Soft food has absolutely no protein in it, but still has vitamins and minerals she needs.  So I feed her a small portion each day to keep her from eating too much hard food.  She is on a very strict diet of very specific portions.

We went with Grand Cayman as they have a wide variety of hard food with varying levels of protein in them.  Our cat will not touch "Science Diet" dry food.  The vet had subscribed some food which our cat almost starved herself to death as she would not touch it.   Once we found the Grand Cayman, the vet signed off on it and the cat has been a happy camper with it.  Picky little feline.

Originally posted by Xargos
You guys are serious about your pets, not that there is anything wrong with that.

They are part of the family.

[storch]

Originally posted by Trell
Yes,  I know when we used to have real cats,  they would try to eat everything they caught,  they didnt care if the part they were eating was breast meat:)

the cats around here don't get fed by us they hang around just the same.  they usually eat the lizard's and mice's heads and that's about it.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Skuzzy

 They are part of the family. [/B]

Fortunately, Mr. President is the part of the family that will eat anything. Damn dog ate a bag of rocks I left out back last week. A BAG OF ROCKS.
admittedly, he didn't eat the rocks, just the bag... but still)

-Sik

[JB73]

My sister and here husband lost their 7 year old cat to this whole fiasco, they were in fact on the local news after I told them about the food recall. they went to the vet to discuss it, and it is most definitely the cause.

just a dang shame, as Skuzzy said the pets are part of the family.