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Offline Comrad

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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2007, 06:31:30 PM »
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I am not a girl to be "loved" by someone.

If you don't understand what I post - then maybe I have problems with English, or maybe you have problems with logics.


I don't dislike you as a person. In fact, I like you.

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« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2007, 06:39:09 PM »
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We have everything, including oil.


You from Greece? Greece is famous for "having everything" :D

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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2007, 06:40:52 PM »
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I don't dislike you as a person. In fact, I like you.


Thank you, now I'll sleep well! ;)

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« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2007, 08:07:28 PM »
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Who cares? They'll simply stop exporting oil.  


and where will they find money to run the country, Iran has oil but they have to import gasoline because they have very little refining capacity.

if they stop exporting oil the price of gas in iran might go up.

boroda misses the good old days with uncle Joe Stalin.

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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2007, 08:28:23 PM »
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Who cares? They'll simply stop exporting oil. I wonder how much a gallon of gas will cost where you live. I think - about $4 a litre. I can only hope that in Russia we'll have govt regulated prices, even now it's ridiculous when gas here is more expensive then in the US.


That certainly would devastate the Iranian economy more so than any other.  It would be political suicide by Ah whack job too.  The current international community’s confrontation with Iran over its nuclear program already has affected the Iranian economy drastically it is threatening investment and growth in Iran if this nuke crisis continues to go on.

The best thing that could happen to the "west" is if they did stop exportation of oil. No doubt an Iranian ruler more friendly to the West would emerge through a coup.

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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2007, 01:39:59 AM »
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and where will they find money to run the country, Iran has oil but they have to import gasoline because they have very little refining capacity.

if they stop exporting oil the price of gas in iran might go up.

boroda misses the good old days with uncle Joe Stalin.


As I remember, they didn't raise refinery due to another reason. Mostly because of their oil production is too high. And low electricity production at the same time.

They can stop oil exporting only for "West". And sell it to Venezuela, for example. And that's funny, but USA will anyway buy it.

Looking onto criminal situation, I'm missing him too. Really.

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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2007, 01:45:02 AM »
Just curious. I remember a talk with an old Aeroflot pilot. He worked on international flights scince end of the war. So he said, that in middle 70th Iran asked USSR to create few Aeroflot hubs. In Teheran and some big cities. With Jet-A or TS-1 for 6$ (six dollars) per tonn. I don't know, was that true or not. But for me, it looks truly.

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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2007, 01:49:54 AM »
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Every evidence that has been provided clearly showed that the British sailors and marines were not in Iranian waters.  The GPS coordinates clearly showed that.   So in my book, they were held hostage.


ack-ack


It's clear for you, but not for Iran. They were catched in the waters wich ownership is very doubted.

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« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2007, 01:52:39 AM »
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Too bad the SAM system is worthless against American power.


Funny. Do you remember this: "Sorry, we didn't knew that it's invisible!"? If you need, I can remind you where and why it was said.

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« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2007, 05:49:51 AM »
Watching the choppers land now.

Those evil Iranians further humiliated them with some nasty-arsed suits for the final photo-op eh?

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« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2007, 07:23:49 AM »
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onto criminal situation, I'm missing him too. Really. (editors note: Referring to Stalin)


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Just curious. I remember a talk with an old Aeroflot pilot. He worked on international flights scince end of the war. So he said, that in middle 70th Iran asked USSR to create few Aeroflot hubs. In Teheran and some big cities. With Jet-A or TS-1 for 6$ (six dollars) per tonn. I don't know, was that true or not. But for me, it looks truly.
Why do I have a vision of Borat and the sound of his accent in my head when I read your posts?:rolleyes: :rofl

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« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2007, 08:22:50 AM »
see... you can get good results if you are willing to beg and say you are wrong when someone kidnaps your people.

I am glad that the brits didn't resort to violence..  I can't imagine the carnage those three boats and six harriers could have done.

I am glad they followed the lead of the great president jimmy (peanut man) carter..

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« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2007, 09:12:38 AM »
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Watching the choppers land now.

Those evil Iranians further humiliated them with some nasty-arsed suits for the final photo-op eh?


I was wondering if the iranians kept their uniforms and if so why..
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« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2007, 09:19:09 AM »
Had to be a quid pro quo. Somehow I'm thinking the Iranians caught and jailed in Iraq will be released soon, probably sub rosa.
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« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2007, 10:28:34 AM »
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see... you can get good results if you are willing to beg and say you are wrong when someone kidnaps your people.


Focusing on results is helpful.

Get 'em back in one piece.
Disuade Iran from doing it again.
Make it impossible for Iran to do it again.
Kill a bunch of Iranians for doing it in the first place -- punishment/revenge
Use carnage to disuage others from doing it.
Use carnage to boost morale back home.

That's off the top of my head.  And there's a problem.

Unless one desires war for war's sake, conflict should have a goal.  A state or condition that exists after war that did not exist prior.  And of course, one that is superior.