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Offline VOR

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« on: April 04, 2007, 07:28:28 PM »
I remember you making a post about a memorial to 5 Su-25 pilots killed in Afghanistan. I may have stumbled upon the American who wrote the letter on another board I read. Is this info consistent with the knowledge you have of the event?

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The report concerns a memorial a couple of us found at Bagram airbase Afghanistan and set out to have protected as a historical site. It honored five Soviet Frogfoot killed by Stingers during the war. All five were declared Heroes of the Soviet Union posthumously.

I'm the American doing the talking in the video. The gentleman speaking from what I assume is his living room is Fedchenko. He went to flight school with three of the five honored pilots, served with them at Bagram and helped build their memorial. Today he works for the department of veterans affairs, trying to help undo the wrongs Russia did to their vets, similar to what we did to ours after Viet Nam.


http://pilot.strizhi.info/2006/12/29/1470
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2007, 11:23:36 PM »
I wrote it when I was in California.

Didn't  want to ruin a good story.

As far as I know - guys who retstored Soviet memorial in Bagram were punished by American command and not allowed to work there any more :(

So it goes :(

For me it was the last disappointment speaking about American so-called "democracy".

I understand that you, guys, here, will salute to... how to say it.. not "heroes", but just  mates who volunteered and did what they had to do to the last extent. Just as I'll salute to soldiers fighting in Iraq now.

Many of them came back home. Some of them didn't.

Funny, why Russians never find such memorials made by someone else? Maybe just because we don't go further then we need to protect our land, kids and women?...
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2007, 11:28:44 PM »
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Funny, why Russians never find such memorials made by someone else? Maybe just because we don't go further then we need to protect our land, kids and women?...


Is this the Vodka talking?  Or didn't anyone tell Boroda that Russia invaded Afghanistan too?   Was invading Afghanistan protecting the Russian women and children? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2007, 11:46:39 PM »
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Is this the Vodka talking?  Or didn't anyone tell Boroda that Russia invaded Afghanistan too?   Was invading Afghanistan protecting the Russian women and children? :rolleyes:


Invaded?

Invited.

Respecting graves of your opponents. We have French graves at Borodino field, as well as German graves there. Is it OK for you?
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2007, 02:20:55 AM »
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Invaded?

Invited.

Respecting graves of your opponents. We have French graves at Borodino field, as well as German graves there. Is it OK for you?


ROFL! Invited.. That's the soviet version of the story.

You guys tried to invite us also in the late 30's. There were victory banners, full parade dress complete with a band. They expected to be able to use them after 2 weeks after sending the 'invitation' in the form of tanks and bullets.

We refused the 'invitation' at a high price. The Afghans just paid the price a few decades later, after suffering that time as Soviet serfs.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2007, 04:33:27 AM »
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We refused the 'invitation' at a high price. The Afghans just paid the price a few decades later, after suffering that time as Soviet serfs.


I am still in awe of the effort the Finns, your countrymen, put forth during World War II.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2007, 04:40:59 AM »
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Invaded?

Invited.

Respecting graves of your opponents. We have French graves at Borodino field, as well as German graves there. Is it OK for you?


NN pilots and soldier of the "grande armée" I suppose ?
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Offline VOR

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2007, 06:22:12 AM »
Nevermind.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2007, 07:17:44 AM »
I have to wonder really, having read enough of his postings in the past,  is Boroda yanking our chain, is he just that sad a victim of propaganda,, or is he not the brightest bulb posting on this board?
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2007, 12:45:19 PM »
Do the Vietnamese go to any effort to maintain American memorials on Vietnamese soil???

Quite frankly, I'm suprised that any effort was made for the Su-25 pilots at all.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2007, 01:39:11 PM »
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Nevermind.


Agree, a good topic.  But pissed on by "the moral high ground".
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2007, 01:58:30 PM »
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ROFL! Invited.. That's the soviet version of the story.

You guys tried to invite us also in the late 30's. There were victory banners, full parade dress complete with a band. They expected to be able to use them after 2 weeks after sending the 'invitation' in the form of tanks and bullets.

We refused the 'invitation' at a high price. The Afghans just paid the price a few decades later, after suffering that time as Soviet serfs.


After reading Tanner's memoirs I understood what "insanity" in politics means. Mannerheim was a great leader, unlike that bunch of democratically-elected morons. You just can't fight a steam-roller with a match-stick.

Go read Tanner's book, he explains all the progress of relations since 1938 I think. All USSR wanted was Hanko (Gangut), but bright Finnish politicians ended up fighting a war killing thousands and leaving Vyborg to us, that wasn't even expected by Red side.

Soviet serfs?! Just tell me - how you see it, "soviet serf"? Do you know anything about Russian Empire expansion in Central Asia? It's quite interesting, believe me. At that time you guys were one of the few free nations in the Empire, so it's a part of your history too.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2007, 04:33:09 PM »
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Go read Tanner's book, he explains all the progress of relations since 1938 I think. All USSR wanted was Hanko (Gangut), but bright Finnish politicians ended up fighting a war killing thousands and leaving Vyborg to us, that wasn't even expected by Red side.


Why should the Finns have given up that territory? It was their right to fight for territory that belonged to them was it not? No different than the USSR fighting back against Nazi Germany. :)
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2007, 05:15:27 PM »
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Why should the Finns have given up that territory? It was their right to fight for territory that belonged to them was it not? No different than the USSR fighting back against Nazi Germany. :)


We have won. You lost. Sorry, but, as Mannerheim said - you guys had no chance.

You were offered decent money for an uninhabited peninsulla, plus 3 times more land in Soviet Karelia. Your moronic politicians refused, so USSR got it anyway, plus bonus like Vyborg, in a war that killed thousands.

And don't tell me that Stalin wanted all Finland: in March 1940 there was nothing to stop Red Army from marching righ into Gelsingfors (an old Russian Navy base, home of the Baltic Battleship Brigade in WWI).

Sorry for using old Imperial names ;)
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2007, 09:01:42 PM »
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We have won. You lost. Sorry, but, as Mannerheim said - you guys had no chance.

You were offered decent money for an uninhabited peninsulla, plus 3 times more land in Soviet Karelia. Your moronic politicians refused, so USSR got it anyway, plus bonus like Vyborg, in a war that killed thousands.

And don't tell me that Stalin wanted all Finland: in March 1940 there was nothing to stop Red Army from marching righ into Gelsingfors (an old Russian Navy base, home of the Baltic Battleship Brigade in WWI).

Sorry for using old Imperial names ;)


Umm....I'm not Finnish.

If the Finns did not want the deal, it was wrong of the USSR to attempt to force the deal upon them. The war that killed thousands was started by the USSR, and only the USSR is to blame for the deaths that ensued.
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