Bring us your tired, bring us your poor...

[bj229r]

The thing is, 100 years ago, if they couldn't get by, they starved or went home. NOW...money I COULD have spent on CH pedals goes to feed people who can't even speak my @%@ language. We are about to officially receive 20 million more of the below examples

The report on low-skilled workers, who are defined as those without a high school diploma, did not focus on immigrants, but its authors say 25 percent of legal immigrants and 50 percent of illegal aliens fall into the category. About 9 percent of native-born Americans lack a high school diploma.    Using data from 2004, the report shows the average household headed by a low-skilled worker paid $9,689 in taxes but received $32,138 in benefits a year. The more than $22,000 difference is the "tax burden" which rises to $1.1 million over the worker's lifetime.

The Heritage Foundation report calculates that for every $1 unskilled workers pay in taxes they receive about $3 in government benefits, including Medicaid, food stamps, public housing and other welfare programs.  

In 2004, according to the Heritage Foundation report, the country had 17.7 million low-skilled households that together cost taxpayers $397 billion that year. Those households, without an influx of new unskilled workers, will cost at least $3.9 trillion over the next 10 years.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070405-123141-6880r.htm

[Gunslinger]

seriously, why have them pay taxes to begin with.  Couldn't we cut their taxes....cut equivilent benifits......and save money on IRS employees at the same time.....a little off topic, I know but it seems illogical.



SOrry but it just seems like borrowing from peter just give him his money back as well as the money you borrowed from paul.

Why borrow from peter in the first place?

[Mr No Name]

low income people and illegals do not pay taxes anyway, the illegals for the most part get paid under the table and yet they get tons of benefits for being criminals.

if you hire them or shop where they work, you are part of the problem... whenever i see them working some place i let the management know why i am not buying there...  in 3 cases simple protests like that have got them fired.

New American business sign:

Pedro doesnt work here.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Mr No Name


New American business sign:

Pedro doesnt work here.

Heh, I like that:aok

(Remember this crap the next time ya hear "No tax cuts for the rich!")

[Rolex]

What??

The study is about unskilled workers, period. Connecting it to immigration and becoming enraged about that leap is silly. Unskilled people are not immigrating en masse to the US. In fact, only university-educated people and those with special skills can immigrate. It's political grandstanding based on a lie.

If you can't put together $125 for CH pedals, I doubt you could qualify to immigrate to the US.

Now that's an interesting thought. Make native-born people qualify the same as any immigrant, then ship the ones who can't qualify somewhere else. See how you like it...

[Xargos]

H-1B is destroying America just as much as the invading army of mexico.  Politicians do not care about the American People, they only care about the money they get from big business.

http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/4572

[lazs2]

rolex... I believe that you are talking about legal immigration (which is not broken) and the rest are talking about criminal illegal aliens (which is broken).

the poor will always be a burden on the middle class in a socialist society...  socialism breeds lazy and criminal poor too unless it has very strict rules and is able to discriminate.. in which case..  it is not real socialism.

A society can only support so many that take more than they give.

lazs

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Rolex
What??

The study is about unskilled workers, period. Connecting it to immigration and becoming enraged about that leap is silly. Unskilled people are not immigrating en masse to the US. In fact, only university-educated people and those with special skills can immigrate. It's political grandstanding based on a lie.

If you can't put together $125 for CH pedals, I doubt you could qualify to immigrate to the US.

Now that's an interesting thought. Make native-born people qualify the same as any immigrant, then ship the ones who can't qualify somewhere else. See how you like it...

That's just it--the vast majority of iLLEGAL immigrants ARE dirt-poor/unskilled/burden on society--and after they reach middle age, what little value they HAD in their unskilled/low-wage jobs will be gone, leaving them as burdens on you and I--and Bush and Kennedy are about to make 20 million of them citizens...and damn few of them got here with even 125 dollars...just an inner tube to cross the Rio Grande with

[Rolex]

Illegal immigrants and legal aliens are not the same. There is a constant attempt to blend the two together into one "problem." Every high school graduate who enters the workforce is classified as "unskilled labor."

The "burden" of older unskilled labor comes from the home-grown variety, not illegal immigrants. There are far more American unskilled who will be getting Social Security, welfare and other support transfered from younger taxpayers. Illegal immigrants can't collect Social Security. Most paid into the Social Security and tax system via withholding using false SS numbers, but they'll never collect. The money is in a huge barrel of unaccountable cash that helps support the people who paid in legally.

If you want to howl against illegal immigration, I'll howl with you, but the politicans and pundits need to stop their hypocrisy of extracting the benefits of cheap, illegal labor with a wink while spouting off like a bunch of xenophobic rednecks.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Rolex
Illegal immigrants and legal aliens are not the same.  

Illegal is Illegal---the insipid term 'illegal immigrant' was only invented by the Clinton Administration in the 90's (Argh they even have ME using it)

Hacks me off enough paying for homegrown dumbarses who never got out of high school, to say nothing of people who can't @#%#% read or write in their OWN language, much less ours:furious

(actually, politicians don't benifit from letting illegals stay--unless they can let them vote--business reap benefits, taxpayers pay the penalty)

[lazs2]

please rolex... explain the difference between illegal alien and illegal immigrant to me.   There is only immigrants and illegal aliens and tourists and people on visas so far as foreigners  in this country  goes.

Now.. if you want to howl about social security I will be glad to howl about that democrat ponzie scheme with you...  It has nothing to do with the thing being talked about... it matters not how skilled or unskilled a retired person is.  I don't see your point.. the SS burden is the same... more for educated and skilled retirees...  they get more.  

If you are an immigrant then you are here legally... if you are here illegally then you are not an immigrant.

I have no idea how many Americans die a year because of illegals but it is too many.   I am sure the number is staggering tho.   if we lose 50,000 a year to drunk drivers and... going by the names I see of the drunk drivers and the fact that they have no licence... I would say that a third of more being illegals would not be that hard to believe.    

lazs

[lazs2]

Illegal immigrant is too harsh a term these days... they prefer "undocumented immigrant"  like they missplaced their paperwork or something...

why not continue the trend..   A drug dealer would be an "undocumented pharmacist"    A child molester an "undocumented councilor"  A drunk who lost his licence would be an "undocumented commuter"

lazs

[Maverick]

Pretty much spot on there Laz. This pc BS about labeling something to make it different from what it is has gotten rather tiresome.

[Hap]

Originally posted by bj229r
NOW...money I COULD have spent on CH pedals goes to feed people who can't even speak my @%@ language.

Plastic toys with which to steer our toy planes versus feeding a family.

Shoot, that's a moral no brainer.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Hap
Plastic toys with which to steer our toy planes versus feeding a family.

Shoot, that's a moral no brainer.

No problema--open an account in your name, and donate away:aok