Author Topic: Editorial... (or not) (Read 4952 times)

tedrbr · « **Reply #30 on:** April 06, 2007, 10:32:36 AM »

Not going to get the P-39 Airacobra. If popular vote in-game were voting fighters, like many assume they are, there would not have been 2 American bombers in 2nd to last round.

You all is going to end up with the B-25 Mitchell being the winner, cause the voters saw a movie once. Enjoy.

And I hope it's a G, H, or J model to just tick off the EW players that were voting for it for EW use. Talk about hangar queens.

Congrats to the half-dozen or so pilots that actually may use it past the first week of introduction.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 06, 2007, 10:35:57 AM »

This thread could be confused for a troll, Kurt.

Alotta people are forgetting that we're lucky to be getting a plane at all.

I'm just looking forward to seeing how good a job that Waffle does on The eventual finalist(B-25 is still in the final, you know.)

Rino · « **Reply #32 on:** April 06, 2007, 10:38:23 AM »

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Originally posted by tedrbr
Not going to get the P-39 Airacobra. If popular vote in-game were voting fighters, like many assume they are, there would not have been 2 American bombers in 2nd to last round.

You all is going to end up with the B-25 Mitchell being the winner, cause the voters saw a movie once. Enjoy.

And I hope it's a G, H, or J model to just tick off the EW players that were voting for it for EW use. Talk about hangar queens.

Congrats to the half-dozen or so pilots that actually may use it past the first week of introduction.

It must be wonderful to know it all. Amazingly enough, I see Val, Stukas
Ju-88s and SBDs in the MA all the time. I guess these folks didn't get your
hangar queen memo yet.

moot · « **Reply #33 on:** April 06, 2007, 11:06:55 AM »

He's just bitter.. read his post with that in mind

humble · « **Reply #34 on:** April 06, 2007, 11:46:57 AM »

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Originally posted by bj229r
Does anyone think the P39 would handle better or be faster than the P40? And if so...Why?

The P39 easily outflys the 109F/109G2 at lower alts....it turns significantly better but is inferior in the vertical. The P-39 should turn as well or better then the F6F down low...

715 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 06, 2007, 01:22:14 PM »

I'm curious: what do you guys define as "Hanger Queen"?

The most popular plane, the N1K2, is used about 7%. The P40B is used about 0.25%. That's a factor of 28 times less usage than the N1K2. The Bf109E4 is 0.12%: a factor of 1/58th of the N1K2 usage. Since they are used, a bit, does that mean they are not "Hanger Queens"?

(Usage estimated from kill + death numbers)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #36 on:** April 06, 2007, 02:01:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Lot's of guys like the challenge of taking and early-midwar bird into latewar and taking on the hotrods.

This 38G driver sure does anyway. Seems to me i see guys flying P40s in latewar, or 109Fs, Zekes or what have you.

Not everyone needs the latest and greatest to compete as their competition is in seeing how they can make the not so late and greatest perform against those uber birds.

This is WORD FOR WORD, what I do daily. I shoot down LWA birds with Spit 1's, Ki61's, or P38G's. I NEED a challenge. Upping an La7 and landing 7 kills to ME, is not a challenge.

Bucky73 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 06, 2007, 02:07:34 PM »

Translation=My plane got knocked out so I'm gonna whine about those that didn't vote my way.

zorstorer · « **Reply #38 on:** April 06, 2007, 02:09:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Bucky73
Translation=My plane got knocked out so I'm gonna whine about those that didn't vote my way.

Hush you

GO PENS!!!!

Bucky73 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 06, 2007, 02:14:07 PM »

WOOT Pens:aok

tedrbr · « **Reply #40 on:** April 06, 2007, 02:21:21 PM »

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Originally posted by 715
I'm curious: what do you guys define as "Hanger Queen"?

The most popular plane, the N1K2, is used about 7%. The P40B is used about 0.25%. That's a factor of 28 times less usage than the N1K2. The Bf109E4 is 0.12%: a factor of 1/58th of the N1K2 usage. Since they are used, a bit, does that mean they are not "Hanger Queens"?

(Usage estimated from kill + death numbers)

Looking at last month numbers, at lowest and highest numbers:

Model | Kills | Deaths| Kills / Deaths + 1 |Total kills + deaths | %of total kills+ deaths

Ar 234.........287____612__0.468 2___899___0.000494507
B5N2...........324___1061__0. 3051__1385___0.000761837 -- 0.07% 7/10,000
Bf 109E- ...4454____976__0.4647__1430_ __0.00078659
D3A1...........397___1252__0. 3168__1649___0.000907054 -- 0.09% - 9/10,000
C.202..........663___1201__0. 5516__1864___0.001025318
Boston........255___2366__0.1 077__2621___0.001441716
SBD-5..........415___2257__0.1838__2672___0.001469769 -- 0.14% - 14/10,000
Bf 110C-4b..943___1740__0.5416__2683___0.001475819
Ju 87D-3......739___2018__0.366___2757___0.001516524 -- .0.15% - 15/10,000
P-40B..........547___2285__0.2393__2832___0.001557779
Spitfire 14..1571___1380__1.1376__2951 ___0.001623236
Me 163B.....2561___433___5.9009_ _2994___0.001646889
Spitfire Mk I..572___2553__0.224___3125__ _0.001718947
Hurri Mk I...1028___2518__0.4081__3546 ___0.001950524

P-38L.......14687__19819__0.741___34506__0.01898048
F6F-5.......16421__18309__0.8968__34730__0.019103694
Typhoon...21484__14083__1.525 4__35567__0.019564097
B-24J........11786__28635__0.4116__40421__0.022234104
SeaFire.....19020__22537__0.8 439__41557__0.022858975
Tiger I.......44230___7237__6.1108_ _51467__0.028310101
Ostwind....35412___22146__1.5 99___57558__0.031660536
La-7..........36853__29644__1.2431__66497__0.036577551
Spitfire16...36420__33655__1. 0821___70075__0.038545677
P-51D........38149__35937__1.0615__74086__0.04075198
N1K2.........42713__36241__1. 1785__78954__0.043429688
Panzer.....152065__162956__0. 9332__315021__0.173281451

Total number of kills and deaths in March = 1817973

I use total kills plus total deaths as a rough statistic of total use of those planes. Can't pull numbers for spawns.

85 vehicles in game (not counting gunners and chutes).
12 vehicles account for 49.5% of the total number of kills and deaths.
14 other vehicles account for less than 2% of total number of kills and deaths.

That the people flying the lower set of planes are voting for a EW medium bomber whose performance numbers will end up placing it in the upper group of planes just does not make sense statistically.

Ball · « **Reply #41 on:** April 06, 2007, 02:25:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
The P-39Q was about 30 mph faster than the P-40E (385 vs 355) at best altitude. It also has a lower drag coefficient than any fighter, save the P-51. That means it will hold E very well. With 1,420 hp available in WEP at sea level, its power loading is lowest of all US fighters (5.5 lb/hp). That should equate to very good acceleration. Based upon its lift coefficient and wing loading, I calculate turning ability to be somewhere in between the FM-2 and F6F-5.

Does it have magical hover flaps like the other American aircraft?

715 · « **Reply #42 on:** April 06, 2007, 02:34:06 PM »

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Originally posted by tedrbr
Looking at last month numbers...

I was doing planes only.

Bucky73 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 06, 2007, 02:36:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Ball
Does it have magical hover flaps like the other American aircraft?

Ya...like the 109 doesn't ..........................

shamroc · « **Reply #44 on:** April 06, 2007, 02:52:59 PM »

What I can't understand is how people voted for the B-25 over the A-26... It's like getting a chance for a Spit XVI and it gets knocked out by a Spit I... ("Well, ONE is ahead of SIXTEEN so it MUST be better... Ahhhhhuuuuk! ")

The only good rides we had to choose from were the G.55 and the A-26 - the rest were total goats.

I figure the P-39 will win now... Unfortunately, those of you who haven't flown one (old Warbirds had one for years - when HiTech was running it) will soon realize what a lead-sled it really was. Think Yak9T (big gun) with less performance all around and nasty stall characteristics. They gave 'em away or relagated them for training for a reason...

We'll end up with a brand new hangar queen either way....

On the bright side, it will make for easy kills until people realize it.
*sigh*