b25..what is the point

[SELECTOR]

i don't really care what plane wins..but i really don't see the point of the b25 to be even considered in the first place..
   historically it was an important aircraft, but ah isn't historical..was the only plane with range that could lift off of a carrier.. range isn't an issue in ah.. apart from scenarios i can't see it being anything but a hanger queen..
  we have some excellent light/ medium bombers already no need for another american ride..
  what i would have liked to have seen offered was a smaller list with a few more exotic planes (some you don't see in other games),

as i said i don't care which wins, i just think there has been a missed opportunity to fire up the communities imagination..

i will be voting for the p39 due to the fact that i feel it will get the most use and time and effort will not have been wasted..


salute all..

[Wilbus]

I agree with you 100% Selector.

I've been wanting a "plane vote" for a long time and I'm very happy we got it. Quite obviously the majority has spoken so there is nothing to whine about.

Next time (I do hope there will be a next time) I hope HTC decides, like you say, on a few exotic planes and/or some planes that are really needed (like russian bombers and some more Japanese fighters).

I forfeited this last vote though as I don't care which one is added. I would've loved to see the A26 though

[Krusty]

The A-20G is all but helpless. The B-26 just doesn't have the frontal firepower (and is overly heavy, due to all the 50cals onboard).

The B-25 would be a great attacker, with the solid nose. Give it a glass nose and all of a sudden you have a plane that MUCH better suited to all FSO and SEA events than the B-26 normally is.

With the solid nose you get 8 in the nose and 4 in the cheeks, 12 50cals total (300 rpg) plus 3000lbs of bombs and/or some rockets (depending on type). Possibly it'll get 75mm HE gun for attacking towns or in FSO/SEA events for convoys, barges, trains, etc. That would probably be helpful on town killing and strat.

Me, I'd love to have the 12-gun nose.

[Guppy35]

And the point of the original post was?  

All it sounds like is you don't like it so it must be a bad choice.

Ironic that there are so many complaints about the voting or plane choices.

When folks didn't have a choice ie; the arena changes...they whined and complained.

Now that they had a vote on the next plane....they still complain.

LOL  Sometimes I wonder why HTC even has these boards.  They can't win no matter how they play it.

[jon]

Originally posted by Guppy35
And the point of the original post was?  

All it sounds like is you don't like it so it must be a bad choice.

Ironic that there are so many complaints about the voting or plane choices.

When folks didn't have a choice ie; the arena changes...they whined and complained.

Now that they had a vote on the next plane....they still complain.

LOL  Sometimes I wonder why HTC even has these boards.  They can't win no matter how they play it.

That may be the case, but like anything else normally only the negative gets heard.there are still more people that did NOT complain. If every person that was HAPPY posted,the boards would be overloaded.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Guppy35
And the point of the original post was?  

All it sounds like is you don't like it so it must be a bad choice.

Ironic that there are so many complaints about the voting or plane choices.

When folks didn't have a choice ie; the arena changes...they whined and complained.

Now that they had a vote on the next plane....they still complain.

LOL  Sometimes I wonder why HTC even has these boards.  They can't win no matter how they play it.

Dan, remember, the guy who said "get them drunk and get them laid, and they STILL won't be happy" was talking about "virtual pilots".

The sour grapes mentality around here is HILARIOUS, but sad. We're getting A NEW PLANE. I would be happy with either plane still in the running. I'd have been happy with several of the others. But, even if I DIDN'T get a plane I personally desired, I could at least be happy we got a new plane, and SOME of the players got something they wanted. I'm no Spitfire fan, and I don't care to see a constant flow of Spitfires. However, several of my friends ARE Spitfire fans. I was happy they got a couple of new ones, even if I don't care for them. HTC asked us what we wanted, and gave us a chance to choose. We're getting a new plane, and some other goodies, again, we're getting MORE for our money. I can't see what all the whining and condescending posts are about.

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Krusty


The B-25 would be a great attacker, with the solid nose. Give it a glass nose and all of a sudden you have a plane that MUCH better suited to all FSO and SEA events than the B-26 normally is.

Better suited?  Because it can be more historically accurate for some events in SEA and AvA?

In most every other way, the B-25 performance numbers are all worse than the B-26's numbers are.  Less ord, slower climb rate, slower speed, similar defensive mounts, lower performance.   As far as game mechanics go, the Mitchell is just a gimped Marauder for skinners to play with and SEA / AvA use.

I also don't think the B-25 will be a "great attacker", at least not in LW.  Maybe MW, depending on the model developed (and you can find someone to attack).  The Mossie, A-20, and IL-2 should still fly circles around it.  The JUG can carry more rockets, if that's what you like.  A single shot, manually re-loaded 75mm intended for anti-shipping operations not going to be that effective in the game.  What kind of range would it have?  How accurate?  Osties and M-16's will chew a Mitchell up in-game if it has to get in close with the 75mm.

And the crowd goes....

[Husky01]

b25..what is the point

Two words.

DOOLITTLE RAID!

[killnu]

A20 is helpless?!:huh

[BBBB]

Originally posted by tedrbr
Better suited?  Because it can be more historically accurate for some events in SEA and AvA?

In most every other way, the B-25 performance numbers are all worse than the B-26's numbers are.  Less ord, slower climb rate, slower speed, similar defensive mounts, lower performance.   As far as game mechanics go, the Mitchell is just a gimped Marauder for skinners to play with and SEA / AvA use.

I also don't think the B-25 will be a "great attacker", at least not in LW.  Maybe MW, depending on the model developed (and you can find someone to attack).  The Mossie, A-20, and IL-2 should still fly circles around it.  The JUG can carry more rockets, if that's what you like.  A single shot, manually re-loaded 75mm intended for anti-shipping operations not going to be that effective in the game.  What kind of range would it have?  How accurate?  Osties and M-16's will chew a Mitchell up in-game if it has to get in close with the 75mm.

And the crowd goes....

Translation? Waaa, I didn't get the plane I wanted.


-Sp0t

[Hajo]

Seems the ones complaining the most are probably first person shooter Vets.

[Coach]

After reading the post about Toad's dad...  I don't give a damn what planes are/were up for a vote.  Look gents... we have a real life WWII pilot vet who would love to have the chance to virtually fly his old bird.  No, the B-25 was not my origional choice at all.  But I sure as hell will change my vote to honor and give this gentleman his due.  There will be more planes coming in time. Maybe even your favorite.  There shouldn't be any doubt whatsoever about the customer service at HTC.  Until then, patience.  Think about what you can do for a hero of many.

$0.02

Coach

[E25280]

Originally posted by SELECTOR
i don't really care what plane wins..but i really don't see the point of the b25 to be even considered in the first place..

Originally posted by tedrbr
In most every other way, the B-25 performance numbers are all worse than the B-26's numbers are. Less ord, slower climb rate, slower speed, similar defensive mounts, lower performance. As far as game mechanics go, the Mitchell is just a gimped Marauder for skinners to play with and SEA / AvA use.

Yes, what's the point?  In fact, what is the point of anything in the game set?  Yes!  It is all clear!  No one wants to fly an under-performer, so Uber-planes for everyone!  They should just make it so that the only planes available are the Tempest for a fighter and the B-24 for a bomber.  Make it a two-plane arena, and EVERYONE will be happy.  Hooraaaaayyyyy!!!!!!!






Would that make you happy?

[ghi]

Originally posted by Krusty
The A-20G is all but helpless. , etc..

 imop, the A20, damage settings are wrong,it can take 2-3 x37mm Flak hits , killing GVs, but.......................... ......................if is hit by few.50cals/ 20mm from fighter ,A20 dissipate like a fart in the wind

[Hajo]

Coach

They don't get it.  It appears that the BBS has become a daycare center also.  I don't get what I want I'll hold my breath until I do.

I also am voting for the B25 for a veteran that flew them.  I also hope that if it wins the skin of his B25 (Quitch) will be the default skin in the hangar.

We are losing more and more WW2 Vets everyday.  I can think of no better way to honor someone then to actually place his aircraft in the Aces High Inventory.  Since he is the father of a player in the Aces High Community makes it of utmost importance to many of us here.

Now...as to complaints about the B25.  And...is this a Sim or is this a game?
If it is a Sim ( that's how many of us view it who don't fly for points and a free toaster with every 262 kill)  The B25 flew in all theaters of WWII in many variants by more then a few countries.   So.....if you do regard this as a Sim I'd say that the B25 would be the pick because of its widespread successful service.  The P39 was a moderate success.  Not really regarded in high esteem by many. On the other hand I've never heard nor read anything bad about the B25.  It was a fine medium bomber, attack aircraft, and anti shipping aircraft.  The P39 was made the butt of jokes.  Some the RAF gave back or we took back (think they had hispano 20mm cannon in hub) and were called the P400.  Pilots called the P400 a P39 with a Zero stuck on it's tail (A65M2).

So don't scoff at the B25.......compare its' service record to the P39s.
One was outstanding....the other an also ran.  Half of the P39s that were made were sent to Russia. Don't know if figure is correct but from what I've read 9,558 is the approx. number of P39s produced with 4,773 sent to Russia.  Approximately 11,000 B25s were produced which were flown by the USAAF and the RAF in all theaters.