Frame 2 Scores and Updates

[4XTCH]

First off, I will assume the the order for "Feet Wet"  conditions and T+25 take off for "Buffs only" were stated in the Frame 1 orders.  If this is correct and the same T+25 rule is used in Frame 2 , why would any reasonable CiC not assume that feet wet would also come into play? If they (alllied ) had any question about where their buffs would be at T+0 they should have been inclined to ask for clarification from the admin CM.
Most if not all of the CiC's run Ops offline to plan out their missions. They seem to be able to time it very well to hit the T+60 rule.

From the axis POV:
Why would all of the axis side be wondering and calling out the "early" base flashing? Our immediate thoughts were "scouts". I believe the axis understood the feet wet parameters and would not have expected the buffs to be the cause.

Communication is always going to come into play and there is no such thing as a dumb question. If it's on your mind and raising a red flag , ask.

Just my .02

Great Job Nef

4XTCH

[ELD66]

The orders are distributed via email.. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to assume that a CiC regularly reads this forum - or more importantly that they have read it when you make a change. Email is a verifiable communication. The forum is an unrealiable distribution channel for material that can impact the outcome of an event.

 
  It is in fact the CiC's job to find out all information pertaining to his or her duty in making a stratagy. That includes bbs and emails. If you failed in not reading the bbs then you are they only one who can be held accountable. That is why CiC is Commander In Chief which obviously means there is no one over your head. If you say that it is just a mistake that the buffs got feetwet early then no wonder why my defensive formations could not get to 37 early enough which should not be pardoned.

So well done Nef they broke the rule and you enforced it.

ElD66

[WxMan]

I went back and looked at the CM's orders to the Allied CiC's for both frame 1 and 2. In neither case was there any mention of the restriction of feet wet till T+0.  The only restrictions that were listed was plane type, number, bases and bomber alt cap.

To be fair to Nef, he did submit a post to the forum on March 25th stating the feet wet restriction, the next day after posting the sides, but again it was not included in the orders for either week.

Having been a CiC many times, I can tell you that your focus narrows when writing the side orders.  You make sure that you follow the general arena rules and  the orders submitted by the CM's. You don't have time to research much else.  You work with what is in front of you.

Should an alarm have sounded with Drano when he read the T-25 take off allowance for the buff and checked with the CM?  Yes I believed he should have.

I feel there were two errors, here. Nef in not including the feet wet restriction in the orders to the CiC's, and Drano for not double checking.

Consequently, disallowing all damage done to A37 is a bit harsh.  All other conditions for the frame was met. A fairer penalty would be to just disallow the bomber damage.

[AKKaz]

Originally posted by forHIM
Along the same reasoning path Drano indicated his bombers got attacked on egress home.  The question being is how far did those bombers drag the defenders?  I'm assuming they were not attacked over the target, so they probably flew 1 to 2 sectors back towards the allied bases.  Thus dragging CAP 1 to 2 sectors out of the way for the subsequent JABO attacks.  
 

Can understand this if it did play a major role in the second half of the frame.  But after the first strike, we waited on the ground for everyone to join up again for 15 mins to relaunch for 37. Your looking at about 70 mins passing after the infraction occurred.  Also, we had "riders" along with us from that first strike, they were clear of the area way before we even launched.  Now does this tell me that from that initial attack at T-00 that axis forces couldn't regroup from it for over 90 mins?

I admit, I don't see this action causing total breakdown of axis forces for 2 complete hours.  But it does make me start scanning the infractions in the future and call for penalties along this line for any future frames.  If penalties are going to be assessed along the lines of going broader then the those actually doing the infraction, what will be the limit?

If a defending force determines to not defend a target and take the penalty to send its forces elsewhere hoping to get more points for kills.  Then under this guideline, not only should the defending points be null, but their kills/points for the entire frame be null since they shouldn't have been there to begin with.  The what if's could go on for every if penalties are to be assessed by determining what if's and going beyond the actual infraction done.

[TracerX]

655 points?  Pfffft.....  Allies can cover that with our eyes closed on the final frame.  Whatever the penalty is, the Axis will be wishing it was more by the time were done!     Have fun, and Ill see you all this friday.  Except for you Axis folks that is.  I will see you in.....   another life.