Author Topic: Another sly hit on the Bombers (Read 6039 times)

SkyRock · « **Reply #105 on:** July 11, 2007, 03:53:04 PM »

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Originally posted by 2Slow

Historically, attacks from a low 6 climbing were doomed.

Not an accurate statement. Many pics of bombers getting shot down from low 6. The LW planes generally climbed faster than the buffs did level! I have several pics of 110's nose up on a buffs low 6 chewing them up! Now, I will say that the majority of bomber kills were from High 6 with much E!:aok

whels · « **Reply #106 on:** July 11, 2007, 06:26:22 PM »

In WW2, 300 Bombers where needed to drop on a target to get 1 yes 1 bomb on target, and that with them considering a hit was within 300 yards of target.

i say leave calibration as is but induce 2 things. bombers shouldnt be able to take less then 75% fuel, this would stop some alting of bombers to rediculous alts that didnt bomb from ever in RL.

and make bomb accuracy worse as you alt, say if u bomb 15k or lower make semi very accurate. about 15k as you go higher increase bomb spread during drop. makem have to use more bombs/bombers from high alt
to hit/kill targets.

Anyone · « **Reply #107 on:** July 12, 2007, 03:46:37 AM »

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Originally posted by whels
In WW2, 300 Bombers where needed to drop on a target to get 1 yes 1 bomb on target, and that with them considering a hit was within 300 yards of target.

thing is whels, targets generally was huge, spread out compounds, not a small little game tile, or, like the HQ 1 small building.

if bombers aim drops down, we will need bigger targets, however the really bad point someone else already brought up is that NOE bombers are already a problem enough, makin it harder to aim from alt will only make it worse.

Bombers/Strat does need reworking, i agree 100%.

LYNX · « **Reply #108 on:** July 12, 2007, 04:05:12 AM »

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Originally posted by whels
In WW2, 300 Bombers where needed to drop on a target to get 1 yes 1 bomb on target, and that with them considering a hit was within 300 yards of target.

i say leave calibration as is but induce 2 things. bombers shouldnt be able to take less then 75% fuel, this would stop some alting of bombers to rediculous alts that didnt bomb from ever in RL.

and make bomb accuracy worse as you alt, say if u bomb 15k or lower make semi very accurate. about 15k as you go higher increase bomb spread during drop. makem have to use more bombs/bombers from high alt
to hit/kill targets.

Without a shadow of doubt this idea above is the most hair brained suggestion to date.

Whats the plan here ? Turn every single bomber pilot into some kind of LOW LEVEL dweeb. Turn every single bomber pilot into a SUICIDER ? Make bomber piloting even less PALATABLE? ..... absolutely ridiculous.

Want to change bomber lazer accuracy? Give us back the old style of bombing. The one which challenges skill. The one where salvo spread was vital. The one where you had to hold a certain spot to calibrate.

Nilsen · « **Reply #109 on:** July 12, 2007, 04:06:36 AM »

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Originally posted by 2Slow

Historically, attacks from a low 6 climbing were doomed. Now attacks from 12 o'clock level had a success rate. My experience in the game with attacks from the 2 to 4 and 10 to 7 o'clock, horizontal with speed are the most difficult to defend against.

If that was true then there would not be so much surviving german guncam footage of successful low 6 kills.

In the game things are very different. You have good external views in buffs, gunner has no problem with nerves, clouds, other buffs to be careful of and you have drones that helps you fire on your target. You dont have to ID the plane you shoot and you are not tired, cold and face real death.

SkyRock · « **Reply #110 on:** July 12, 2007, 04:52:44 AM »

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Originally posted by whels
In WW2, 300 Bombers where needed to drop on a target to get 1 yes 1 bomb on target, and that with them considering a hit was within 300 yards of target.

i say leave calibration as is but induce 2 things. bombers shouldnt be able to take less then 75% fuel, this would stop some alting of bombers to rediculous alts that didnt bomb from ever in RL.

and make bomb accuracy worse as you alt, say if u bomb 15k or lower make semi very accurate. about 15k as you go higher increase bomb spread during drop. makem have to use more bombs/bombers from high alt
to hit/kill targets.

U have pissed off Anyone, and LYNX, u are getting close to hanging wit Das Muppets!:aok

Mark

Oleg · « **Reply #111 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:04:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
In the game things are very different. You have good external views in buffs, gunner has no problem with nerves, clouds, other buffs to be careful of and you have drones that helps you fire on your target. You dont have to ID the plane you shoot and you are not tired, cold and face real death.

Fighters has most of said benefits as well.

Speaking about bomber vs fighter in AH, any bomber is soft and easy kill as long as you have time and patience to get proper attack position. There are very few exceptions. Making them more vulnerable to "dead 6" attacks will put bombers in huge unfair disadvantage.

There are enough doubtful bomber's features, but "laser guns", "unbelievable toughness" and so just not one of these.

Nilsen · « **Reply #112 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:07:47 AM »

If i have the patience to set up properly i _never_ get shot down by buffs. If there are other peeps around that wants the same kills i sometimes have to go straight in and thats when i sometimes get killed.

Pawz · « **Reply #113 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:08:56 AM »

Oleg · « **Reply #114 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:15:21 AM »

Nilsen, only first sentence was related to you. Others wasnt.

whels · « **Reply #115 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:19:33 AM »

German fighters pilots stated also that they used 20 n 30mm cannons, because they could out range the 50cal guns of the bombers. So the fighters could sit out of range and pick at the bombers.

you wont see 20 n 30mm out range 50cal in AH.

dedalos · « **Reply #116 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:50:02 AM »

Story about bomb acuracy.

There were 3 bombs dromped in my home town during WWII (Small vilage in Greece). A Brit convoy running for one of the ports to escape to Egypt was spoted by Stukas (i was told). They dove in and dropped 3 bombs on the convoy. Needless to say, they hit 3 houses. The closest one to the convoy was 3 blocks away. Something to keep in mind when you drop on a panzer from 10K and put the bomb right on it

WaRLoCkL · « **Reply #117 on:** July 12, 2007, 11:51:52 AM »

If u havent noticed, Aces High is well known for trying to be authentic, in WW2 bombers had to fly in mass formations to be affective.

No base should be able to be disabled by a lonley buff pilot. and lonly bombers already last longer than they normally would have in real life, atleast your gunner cant be killed.

Yes a good pilot can make quick work of a formation of buffs, but a good buff pilot can also make quick work of a single fighter attacking.

Aces high makes overall game play better for everyone as a group.

If I had to make a suggestion it would be to have one main arena so each side would have over 200 people. Now that would make for some interesting buff runs wouldnt u think.

Also another note, Real buffs in ww2 flew at insane altitudes, thats why they survived, if u fly around no higher than 20k dont expect to make it home.

WaRLoCkL · « **Reply #118 on:** July 12, 2007, 12:08:04 PM »

Also just a side note, something to make bombing eaven more easier for ya.

If u drop 12,000 pounds of ordinance directly between 2 fighter hangers, the spash damage is enuf to destroy both, so theres your solution, pick your lines right and u can still drop all FH at some fields with 1 pass.

I will do the math for ya to make it simple for the really tarted ones.

Salvo 4 for 1000 lbs
salvo 8 for 500 lbs

Times those by 3 planes and u got what it takes to drop 2 hangers in one pass.

Krusty · « **Reply #119 on:** July 12, 2007, 12:51:38 PM »

Lancs, 4k cookie. Gives you 9 1k bombs as well.

4k x3 drones = 12k.