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Offline Bodhi

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« on: April 26, 2007, 10:40:03 AM »
Money.

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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1614886,00.html?cnn=yes

" As her campaign chairman, Terry McAuliffe, discovered, Obama "works the phones like a dog. He probably did three to four times the number of events she did" in the first quarter. "No matter who I call," McAuliffe says, "he has already called them three or four times." So Clinton is stepping up the pace of her cash raising. Instead of big galas, she will be doing more fund raisers in smaller settings that offer extra attention from the candidate — especially for those contributors who can pony up the maximum $4,600 total allowed by law for the primary and general elections. Whereas her forces once warned donors that it would be seen as an act of disloyalty to contribute to anyone but Clinton, they are now inviting Obama's fund raisers to consider hedging their bets by helping her too. And they are reassuring a new and younger generation of fund raisers that despite the size of her operation, there will be plenty of room at the table for them and their ideas. "

Kind of sad when the only way your "ideas" can be heard is if you give money to a politician during their run to the presidency...  Sad, very, very sad state of affairs that this has come to.  Disgusting really as it is so bipartisan it is not funny.
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2007, 11:53:14 AM »
votes for sale, fresh new votes for sale , get them before they are all gone.

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2007, 12:17:19 PM »
I don't think that 8 years and any amount of money will be enough for people to forget the scandals of her husbands' administration. And I'm not talking about Monica Lewinsky, I mean the Whitewater deal, and the still-mysterious death of Vincent Foster. I really don't think that Hillary Clinton is going to be our first woman president. And as far as Obama...This is going to be a bad time to try to elect a muslim to power in the U.S. With our involvement in the middle east, and all of the problems we may yet encounter, I'd think that the voting public will steer clear of him, as well.

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2007, 01:01:50 PM »
I've felt that it's because enough people don't speak softly and carry a big stick.

Kinda like Rosie O'Donnel.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2007, 01:06:43 PM »
Just in passing last night I heard a bit, on ABC I think, about the dems and their claims about doing away with influence peddling. They went and filmed folks arriving at a party for pelosi where the minimum entrance price was $10k last week. Their comment during the story was that it's still business as usual in Washington with the dems and that influence was definitely for sale.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2007, 01:15:03 PM »
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And as far as Obama...This is going to be a bad time to try to elect a muslim to power in the U.S.


What makes you think Obama is a Muslim?  Are you confusing him with Congressman Keith Ellison?

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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2007, 01:17:48 PM »
You show me a politician and I'll show you a crook.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2007, 01:26:28 PM »
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You show me a politician and I'll show you a crook.


Ditto!! Almost every single one of them, Democrat and Republican. If they don't "play ball" they don't last.

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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2007, 01:38:05 PM »
I couldnt agree more.

The primaries have been moved earlier and earlier to squeeze out anyone who cant pony up the bucks - no matter how good his ideas are.  The political parties are only interested in advancing themselves, the person that is the frontman doesnt matter.

We have become a short attention span nation.  We hear soundbytes on the news and think we know what's going on.  People come on the scene with good ideas but now if you do not have the cash to last you are written off by the parties and whatever ideas you have for good government are quickly forgotten.

This campaign season got underway over 6 months ago (Yes, the 2006 interim elections were a setup for 2008)  We are STILL 19 months away from the general election!!!  This not only applies to the presidential election but also all elections, chiefly the House and Senate.  It is a shame that our elected leaders have to and DO spend more time raising money for the next election than they spend working for us.

I truly believe that no campaigns should be allowed to begin until 9 months from the election - we live in the information age, no-one can say there is not sufficient time to get a message out in that time.  All primaries should take place between 3 and 6 months before the election, 2 months to 6 weeks out, the conventions.

I am ALREADY so sick of hearing the mudslinging and campaign rhetoric (From ALL parties) that I wanna barf.  All of the news is focused on which candidate has more money or has the support of whomever.  Frankly, we shouldnt be exposed to any of this for a long time now.

Being bombarded the way we are, for as long as we are flooded with this garbage is why there is so much voter apathy, by the time the elections take place, we are all SICK of them all.  Our forefathers never intended us to have this mess, professional politicians or political machines.  It sickens me to think of the grotesque amounts of money, time and energy that is wasted because of the lack of common sense governing our elections.  I have been a volunteer county elections official for 13 years now and this has only gotten progressively worse - 2008 is infinitely worse.

It is far too late to do anything about this next election cycle but i encourage each and every one of you to write your Congressman and Senators about Election reform.  Maybe one day we will have real choices in the primaries and general elections other than each respective parties "Chosen One".

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2007, 01:53:47 PM »
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You show me a politician and I'll show you a crook.


Isn't that the truth RPM.

Personally I am so sick of the whole political sytem.  It is depressing to think that the country no longer can or will hear the ideas of those that are trully desiring to serve the country for the good of the country.  It seems that today it is all about se4rving their political party and their own best interests.
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2007, 02:04:04 PM »
The Founding Fathers made a big mistake when they allowed Congressmen, Senators and Presidents the ability to benifit economically from their positions in government.  FFs also screwed up by not limiting the number of times any one person could serve public office.  This would have prevented the career politican from gaining a foothold and would have allowed for a much broader representation of Americans by keeping the office in rotation.

Congressmen, Senators and Presidents (any elected position for that matter) should never make more than the median average income of the taxpayers, up or down as the economy goes.  

Money is indeed the greatest corrupting factor of democracy.
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2007, 02:43:09 PM »
I always chuckle when I hear America referred to as a Democracy.  Obviously, those that do do not know the literal definition of the term.

At best, the United States of America was a Constitutional Republic with Democratic ideals, or maybe a "Representative Democracy" (rather than a full Democracy), but those days are more in the past than the present.

Today, the United States of America is quickly slipping toward Oligarchy.  Possibly even a Plutocracy.  
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Oligarchy (Greek Ὀλιγαρχία, Oligarkhía) is a form of government where political power effectively rests with a small, elite segment of society (whether distinguished by wealth, family or military prowess). The word oligarchy is from the Greek words for "few" (ὀλίγον óligon) and "rule" (ἄρχω arkho).


In this case, money buys you access to the politicians.  Special Interest Groups and Big Industry have the money.  

Americans, in general, can only blame themselves (of course, they won't blame themselves, they'll blame others) --- the societal apathy and generally very low turnouts to vote year-in and year-out have only encouraged special interests, big industry, and the bought-and-paid-for politicians to continue down this road of usurping the "will of the people".  

Many elections still have the popularity contest aspect to them; if you really screw up badly in public relations, you can lose your office or lose an election.  But all the potential players need special interest, big industry, and big money, just to get into the game in the first place.

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2007, 02:51:49 PM »
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What makes you think Obama is a Muslim? Are you confusing him with Congressman Keith Ellison?


Mickey, I'm gonna start this in another thread, if we go into it here, It would definately be a hijack.

Tedrbr right on that it's kinda like the mega-industrial complex that pulls all strings. Which of course, is where Bodhi's right, too.

If you have million to spare lying around, you can start to make things the way you want them. Why else would something like NAFTA go through both the Republican and Democratic administrations, if they have opposing viewpoints on our economy? Especially since NAFTA torpedoed the American worker, But made the large businesses' huge bucks? And, it did'nt improve Mexico's economy one iota. It doesn't let the Canadian pharmaceutical company's compete down here, although wasn't that the spirit of NAFTA to begin with?

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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2007, 02:59:14 PM »
term limits

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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2007, 03:05:47 PM »
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term limits


Just rotates the talking heads.  Doesn't cure the base problems of who's spending money to put their talking head in the seat in the first place.  I support term limits, but doesn't solve the more serious problems.

Better that no politician takes any money to run for election.  You get enough signatures on a ballot to be a serious contestant in an election, you get access to a pool of election campaign money from Federal funds.  Not by party affiliation.  Funds divided equally among those in the running.

Level the playing field, and kick special interests and big money out of the ring (or at least to the side a bit.... big money is still big money).