Author Topic: Uprising in Estonia (Read 4381 times)

Boroda · « **on:** April 28, 2007, 10:15:16 AM »

Standard question: how does your media cover this events? I see drastic difference between Russian TV channels and Euronews.

VOR · « **Reply #1 on:** April 28, 2007, 10:35:21 AM »

It doesn't appear on CNN and a couple of other sources and I haven't heard of it before. What's going on?

Chairboy · « **Reply #2 on:** April 28, 2007, 10:37:47 AM »

A soviet WWII monument is being torn down and some soviet soldiers exhumed because it hurts some people's feelings.

Some yutes object, and riots have broken out.

VOR: Where's you look? News.google.com is your friend:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1115493663

VOR · « **Reply #3 on:** April 28, 2007, 10:41:21 AM »

Hrmm. Didn't look there, thanks.

Boroda · « **Reply #4 on:** April 28, 2007, 10:42:15 AM »

E25280
Senior Member

Did you just delete a reply?....

Euronews shows riot, but not the victims beaten and handcuffed by the polizeis. Russian channels show victims including teenagers and women, sometimes a reporter running right after the police line, screaming that this riot-police prefers to catch kids and women, as if Estonian "rubbish" doesn't understand Russian... Here in MSK this reported will get his microphone kicked into his teeth immediately, most of our riot-police spent some time in Chechnya, and they know their enemy.

Boroda · « **Reply #5 on:** April 28, 2007, 10:48:42 AM »

the problem is that they removed the Bronze Soldier secretly, and exhumed the graves as if it's a pet cemetary.

All they had to do was to do it after May 9th, giving all the military merits, with salute and ceremonial company.

Now they already killed a Russian citizen, leaving him to die handcuffed to a lamp-post.

I hope our Kremlin dreamers will not live it all unpunished. A country is an EU member, openly praising nazis and dealing with the remnants of the Liberators as with dogs.

E25280 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 28, 2007, 10:50:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
E25280
Senior Member

Did you just delete a reply?....

Yes, I had deleted it. After posting the link I re-read your question and it looked like you were directing it toward Europeans and not those of us in the US.

Here is the link again if you are interested.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070428/D8OPK7L80.html

But to echo VOR a bit, I hadn't heard a peep about this until I went searching for it. But I admit I do not generally watch the 24 hour news channels. This story was #9 on a list of a "world news" link.

Over here, it seems if it isn't about Iraq, Afghanistan, Nancy Pelosi, or some Hollywood goof, it doesn't get much play.

Bodhi · « **Reply #7 on:** April 28, 2007, 10:53:02 AM »

The problem with our news here Boroda, is that they are too busy covering Anna Nicole Smith's baby coming back to the states.

Boroda · « **Reply #8 on:** April 28, 2007, 11:00:19 AM »

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Originally posted by E25280
Yes, I had deleted it. After posting the link I re-read your question and it looked like you were directing it toward Europeans and not those of us in the US.

Here is the link again if you are interested.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070428/D8OPK7L80.html

But to echo VOR a bit, I hadn't heard a peep about this until I went searching for it. But I admit I do not generally watch the 24 hour news channels. This story was #9 on a list of a "world news" link.

Over here, it seems if it isn't about Iraq, Afghanistan, Nancy Pelosi, or some Hollywood goof, it doesn't get much play.

I asked it to everyone here, the world is getting pretty small now...

Interesting that it's not in the news in the US. We have open confrontation between RF and EU member, with EU acting as usual: that unshaved female reproductive organ Solana, butcher of Yugoslavia says that riots are Russian fault, German Foreign Affairs Minister said Estonians don't understand what nazism means, and so on.

French NATO fighter squad based in Pribaltika made a first flight over Tallin to demonstrate their presence.

Russian foreign ministry threatened severe consequences for the actions of Estonian govt.

Our Parliament leaders called for a diplomatic relations cancellation with Estonia.

Let's hope that it's not only words again. They killed a Russian citizen and they will regret it.

E25280 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 28, 2007, 11:07:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Now they already killed a Russian citizen, leaving him to die handcuffed to a lamp-post.

I hope our Kremlin dreamers will not live it all unpunished. A country is an EU member, openly praising nazis and dealing with the remnants of the Liberators as with dogs.

Could you expand a little bit for those of us ignorant on the subject . . . does Russia consider all ethnic Russians to still be Russian citizens? Even if those of Russian decent were born in what is now an independent country? Or just former "Soviet" citizens?

As for the second part, I perfectly understand that from your perspective the Soviet forces were "Liberators." But since Estonia was temporarily an independent country after World War One, and were subjected to Soviet invasion and occupation in 1939, they apparently have a different perspective.

mora · « **Reply #10 on:** April 28, 2007, 11:13:15 AM »

"Uprising"

If the looting and vandalism would take place in Moscow you would be calling it terrorism.

Police stabbed the russian multiple times to death? I don't think it would happen even in Russia.

LLv34 Jarsci · « **Reply #11 on:** April 28, 2007, 11:15:16 AM »

And the russian was killed by another russian using knife. So how its Estonias fault?

I agree this thing could have been handled differently from the start. Now we have just to see it through.

Fishu · « **Reply #12 on:** April 28, 2007, 11:16:42 AM »

That's just great... everyone who doesn't please the russians are nazis.

Estonians do have a pretty good grasp of what the nazism means, but they do also know even better what kind of butchers the commies were. Over 200 000 estonians were forced to move elsewhere and thousands were killed, while hundreds of thousands people were moved to Estonia from different parts of the Soviet Union.

Communist russia itself has caused the problem by using the ancient divide & conquer tactic. Estonians are now taking back the control of their own country and they have the right to remove the symbols of the former oppressors. The russian minority should integrate into the estonian society and stay reasonable.

Fishu · « **Reply #13 on:** April 28, 2007, 11:19:20 AM »

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Originally posted by E25280
Could you expand a little bit for those of us ignorant on the subject . . . does Russia consider all ethnic Russians to still be Russian citizens? Even if those of Russian decent were born in what is now an independent country? Or just former "Soviet" citizens?

Many of the estonian russians have Russian passports.

Fishu · « **Reply #14 on:** April 28, 2007, 11:21:13 AM »

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Originally posted by mora
Police stabbed the russian multiple times to death? I don't think it would happen even in Russia.

Indeed:

Russian channels show victims including teenagers and women, sometimes a reporter running right after the police line, screaming that this riot-police prefers to catch kids and women, as if Estonian "rubbish" doesn't understand Russian... Here in MSK this reported will get his microphone kicked into his teeth immediately, most of our riot-police spent some time in Chechnya, and they know their enemy"