Flaps in the turn fight?

[B@tfinkV]

Umm.  No.

i disagree.

elevator trim is essential.

Originally posted by Yknurd
Also note that trimming the elevators will also give you the edge in a turn fight.

this statement is most definitely 100% correct.

he didnt say it would give you 'better turn radius' he just said it would 'give you an edge'


and it does, most certainly.

[Murdr]

By all means, start a thread opining on the best method of elevator trim for turn fighting.  If I had been mistaken about seeing the essence of a common myth in that statment, there would have already been a reply to that effect.

[B@tfinkV]

i am allowed to agree with YKnurd's statement, i think, no need for another thread.

just dont want peolple who are learning to think that manual trim is a waste of time.

he said it gives you an edge, and in my mind, it does, case closed.

S!

[Murdr]

Ok so...[list=a]

• manual trim can not make you turn tighter except as noted by HiTech
• manual trim is not a waste of time
[/list=a] That was easy enough.

[B@tfinkV]

who took the jam out of your dohnut?



do you wish to propose to me that using manual elevator trim DOES NOT GIVE YOU AN EDGE in a turn fight?


nobody except you said anything about 'turns tighter' why cant you get that through your force shield?

i shall leave you in peace now, oh mighty one.

[B@tfinkV]

I like the way you came back and edited your 3rd bullet point.

"C. its in batfink's head, it must be right, case closed."

kinda weak seeing as its too late to edit my reply. and i still want to know who took the jam out of your dohnut.

[Murdr]

time stamps

[B@tfinkV]

well lemme know where they live i'll go round and beat the jam outta them.

[Yknurd]

If it makes it easier for you, I hereby give you permission to spell my name as Drunky.

[zlehmann]

wow thanks for all the info guys that really really helps. ive also moved away from the la-7  im trying out a few new planes to see what style i like. but to be honest i have had much success with anything...you guys are just too good for us newbies!

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV

do you wish to propose to me that using manual elevator trim DOES NOT GIVE YOU AN EDGE in a turn fight?
 

Only in EXTREME cases where both pilots are  almost equal in terms of their skill and when flying the same plane types just maybe.........

we all have our own idea of how trim works for our own particular need...some go around flying with combat trim on ALL THE TIME...so when they are slow that elevator is trimmed all way up to keep the nose up.........some  ( ME) set their manual trim to the cruise speed of the particular plane, so when they get a firing solution  they are not fighting the COMBAT TRIM and having to jink/push forward on the stick to rest the bore sight....they have to actually pull ( which is much more steady ) to maintain a  good firing shot.......

some just mess with manual trim way to much and it causes them to get shot down because they wasting to much SA on Trim instead of SA on what is happening around them

[B@tfinkV]

i always, always use manual elevator trim when i have someone saddled on my six and i need to break and reverse.

for me, it is not a matter of gaining extra turn ability, it is a matter of not having to pull the stick back as far for the same turn. Letting the plane pull me through the turn not the other way round.

i never even think about trim i just know when i need it and i often do.

just personal preference, i suppose.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Yknurd
If it makes it easier for you, I hereby give you permission to spell my name as Drunky.

awesome.

but i wont waste it on everyday usage. FKnurd for standard communication and bad mouthing, drunky for special occasions...ok?

[TequilaChaser]

1st off, B@tfinkV,
I am not trying to pick an arguement with you, or even pick on you or anything , but what in your simple definition/description is TRIM used for ( elevator trim/aileron trim) ?


my short answer is : it helps keep the plane centered / flying straight and level by adjusting trim tabs to compensate for torque, prop wash and other misc effects ......to keep it short

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i always, always use manual elevator trim when i have someone saddled on my six and i need to break and reverse.

I  think you feel that adjusting trim  for the elvator helps you reverse or breakturn quicker........ if the trim helps you do this  verses pulling on your joystick, you might want to think and check on how your joystick is scaled on the different axis......just a thought.......for me I have all my sliders at the very top across all 0 to 90.......I do not have to pull very far at all unless I absolutely desire too,  with that said. Where do you have your sliders set on your scaling?

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
for me, it is not a matter of gaining extra turn ability, it is a matter of not having to pull the stick back as far for the same turn. Letting the plane pull me through the turn not the other way round.

I do not really understand this, you are using TRIM to turn your plane verses using the joystick to turn it? seems you would always be adjusting the TRIM non stop ,  again you  should re think on ow you have your stick scaling set up if you think you have to PULL a whole lot to turn the plane.....

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i never even think about trim i just know when i need it and i often do.

just personal preference, i suppose.

fully understand the personal preference thing, but it just seems that you making yourself do a whole lot of unnecessary work/labor that isn't really needed......but this is my personal view..........am trying to understand why you are relying on the TRIM features so much.......

[SuperDud]

I've never used trim, don't need to. Tried it once and didn't like it. Everything works just fine for me.