Fred Thompson....Your Thoughts?

[RedTop]

I'm voting for Thompson. Regardless.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Gumbeau

Drug legalization is about as far from moderate as one could get.

In my experience, most people who call themselves moderate are really just patchwork quilts comprised of the stances the various parties take.

In the case of drug legalization, it seems that liberals have the best answer.

In the case of other things such as the 2nd, they certainly don't.

I'd vote for a candidate who picks and chooses from the platforms over a straight party line ticket any day of the week.  Even if I didn't agree with him on everything, I'd figure at least he's using his head and not kissing his party's bellybutton on everything.

[bj229r]

Rudy had a long diatribe somewhere today that put him even further left than Bush on illegal immigration---do these dumbarse Republicans think these dirt-poor Mexicans are gonna vote for them when they become citizens??---The only Republican thing Rudy espouses is low taxes, and thats somewhat dubious....McCain has been a pain in the GOP's arse for the last 10 years..HE also isn't gonna get my vote.....Romney is a human weather vane..so He's out....Duncan Hunter/Tom Tancredo are unknowns, and likely to stay that way.....who else is there for a conservative (NOTE I didnt say Libertarian) except Fred Thompson?

[Toad]

Originally posted by rpm
I thought there was only one. But according to this board there are more.
 
There's the "tax the poor man not the rich man" US.
The "give everybody a gun" US.
The "put religion first as long as it's the one I believe in" US.
The "if you don't vote Republican you hate America" US.
ect, ect, ect...

Kinda saddens me really. I need to go watch a Jimmy Stewart movie now...

See...that's the America YOU see.

Here's the one I see:

The "tax the rich man till he's poor and waste that tax money" US.
The "2nd Amendment is part of the Constitution" US.
The "you're free to practice any religion you like" US.
The "if you don't realize the Democrats and the Republicans are buffoons you're one too" US.

etc., etc., etc.

Amazing how we live in the same country and see it so differently.

[rpm]

No Toad, that's the America that's posted on this very board every single day. It saddens me deeply because I love the America I was born and raised in. It doesn't much resemble the country I live in today.

[sgt203]

Originally posted by rpm
..... It saddens me deeply because I love the America I was born and raised in. It doesn't much resemble the country I live in today.

Why is that???

Maybe because political correctness has taken over for general common sense..

Maybe because there is a double standard in this country that is embraced by the left over flower children of the 60's..

Liberalism is killing this country...

You can use tax payer money to put foot washes in an airport for people of the muslim faith to use, but try and use tax payer money to put in a small area for prayer for someone of Christian Faith...

You can allow scholarships for minorites to attend colleges but try and use one for only "anglo saxons" and see what you get... Ask Boston College..

You have people of "alternative lifestyles" who try and have mother and father removed from school books because it doesnt represent their views.. even though they are in a minority.

You have State Funded Universities that are offering health care benefits to employees "Life Partner" with whom they reside, however if you are a male female couple who have lived together for years the same does not apply..

Not that I am a big fan of this guy but Michael Savage says it best..

"Liberlism is a Mental Disorder"

Not that I am very happy with the Current "conservative party" as any more I dont think they even know what that means but to allow the party of political correctness to shape the future of this country is a disaster waiting to happen..

As for the Candidates for President... Anyone but Hillary and Obama..

I know enough about Hillary and the "Clinton Legacy" to say never again.. And Obama who the heck is this guy and what has he ever done other than be well spoken..

With the current hard lefties in power in the House and Senate god help us if they get the White House too..

Yes RPM I also love the country I was born in and Yes it does not much resemble the country I currently live in today... I ask myself why that is..

I cannot blame it all on "liberals" as the "conservatives" allowed this to happen but they are the PC Party of the United States and should shoulder the lions share of the blame.

[CHECKERS]

I hope Thompson Runs , I will vote for him .

[Toad]

Originally posted by rpm
No Toad, that's the America that's posted on this very board every single day. It saddens me deeply because I love the America I was born and raised in. It doesn't much resemble the country I live in today.

So you're trying to tell me this board accurately reflects current US political opinion?

Funny, the Dem's just took the House and Senate but I think if you held a vote of active posters in the OC they wouldn't even be represented in either one.

Maybe you just are taking the wider view.

There's a lot of things that don't resemble the country I was born and raised in.

For example, if anyone had said that school should be taught in English and Spanish when I was a kid, a firm suggestion to learn English would have been made.

When I was a kid, immigration laws were enforced.

When I was a kid, most people were ashamed to be on welfare; they didn't seek it out and mass produce children to qualify for more money..

When I was a kid, taxes were anything but fair. The top bracket folks paid 90% of their income to the government. I guess you'd like to return to the good ole' days?



When I was a kid, you could bring your shotgun to school and go rabbit hunting after school. If you were bullied in school, you settled it with fists, not firearms, and no one got suspended. You shook hands after it was settled. Where did kids get the idea you shoot someone you argued with? Where did that come from anyway?

When I was a kid Democrats and Republicans argued just like they do now. But there was never the ongoing invective and hate that never stops.

So the US is very different from the one I grew up in as well. However, I'm not in dispair about it. Your glass is either half-empty or half-full; that's a choice YOU make.

[lazs2]

tedbr... yep.. I would see social security and federal and state unemployment dismantled...  It would be hard now tho.

Maybe car and fire insurance is too important to have private companies run either?

The government should run the military and provide the courts.  The rest they are just in the way.

abortion?   I don't care but at least admit that it is murder at a certain point.. probly a few short weeks and say we are fine with that... the "life is cheap" idea is a bad road to go down tho... A government that thinks that way always ends up with real high death tolls.

immigtration... arrest the employers... make it impossible to work here illegally.

The good ones will go home.. the criminals will continue to be criminals but... with fewer and fewer of em they will be easier and easier to root out and deport or jail and then deport.  Amnesty says that once you get here and hide a while you are good to go... we had an amnesty and that was supposed to work... after the amnesty it made 12 million people think that they could get away with it...  guess what.. they appear to be right..

Give this 12 million amnesty and the 30 million more will sneak in over the next 30 years and they will be singing the same tune..  they cycle needs to stop.   there might be some suffering..

And that is the point... social security needs to stop.. the suffering is the fault of the program... illegal hiring needs to stop.. the suffering will be the fault of the lax enforcement in the past that lured them here... Why is it that with abortion so free we have more illigitemate births than ever before?

most all government programs need to stop as they are the reason for the suffering.

I DO NOT throw the term socialist around lightly.. to me it is a curse word... it is a hated form of nannyism that causes suffering and the loss of dignity and individualism.

I call you a socialist if most of your ideas involve this curse word.

socialism is a cat lover who leaves trays of milk out for years and then when the place is overrun with cats....  moves away or throws em all in the pound.

oh... what was  your position on the second again?

lazs

[Gumbeau]

Originally posted by rpm
Tedrbr, unless you want to tax everyone under 100K a year and nobody above it, shoot vagrants & illegal aliens, and give a gun to every man, woman and child you'll never get a vote outa these guys.

I will respond directly as one of those he is aiming at.

I would tax everyone this way

http://www.fairtax.org

I would jail panhandlers and put the ones that were in need of medical attention in secured institutions. Notice I didn't say homeless. I don't care if you wander the streets, just don't panhandle.

I would grant amnesty to all illegals, make it really easy to get into the US to work legally with a path to citizenship while at the same time making it much more difficult to sneak across the border. Not one or the other. All three of these must happen simultaneously.

And i would require firearms training for all children to graduate from high school.

Thats the America I live in.

[lazs2]

gum... I would agree with the citizenship thing if.....

If citizenship did not mean schools and medical and welfare and being able to sit on your butt in a nice neighborhood that is all paid for by the citizens who work for a living.

Get rid of all the social programs first and then we will talk about it.   I am sick of driving off to work or driving around the town and seeing all these single moms with a brood of kids all sitting home in nice houses that people who work 2 jobs can't afford to rent.

They have no worries about food since they get a credit card for food... they have no worries about medical since they have a credit card for that... they pay nothing for their rent and they send their kids to the same schools as the working peoples kids.

When the bill comes due.. the working families pay it.  Stop making me pay for them and I won't care what they do.

jail the scumbag employers who hire them and the problem will go away.

These are the only two things that will work...  either or both or a combination but... amnesty every 10 years or so won't.

They are told in mexico that our laws don't mean anything and they are correct.   They are told that we will pay for them to live better than our citizens and they won't have to lift a finger and... they are right.

Why on earth would you not leave mexico and come here?   Have a baby and you are golden.

lazs