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Offline crockett

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« on: May 01, 2007, 07:39:30 AM »
Seems like that pretty much sums up ACM for 90% of the players in this game. It's either HO dweebs which are easy to avoid, but they always run away because they can never actually fight.

Then the rest of the fighting is either 20 guys from one team chasing one plane or 20 planes from the other team chasing one plane. If you happen to get lucky and actually find a "good" one on one fight don't worry because 5 other players will soon be trying to steal the kill from yea.

Seems no one has any respect for the actual fight, it's nothing more than a arcade game mentality to see how many kills they can land to impress their buddies.

I dunno how many times I've worked a guy down to the deck in my slower plane when they have the alt advantage... Dodging their BnZ's the whole way down getting them to burn their E. Only to get them just about where I want them only to have some dweeb in a spit or whatever plane to come jump on the kill I did all the work for because his plane is a bit faster.

Here's a thought.. if you see a guy in a one on one fight, ask him if he needs help before you just jump right in. Here is another thought.. If you find yourself being the third, forth, fifth or sixth guy chasing a single con sit back and enjoy the fight and let the first two guys play with the kill.
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2007, 07:43:36 AM »
crocket speaking to -----------> brick wall.


sad but true mate.
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Re: HO's and Hoards..
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2007, 07:48:52 AM »
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I dunno how many times I've worked a guy down  


No wonder you attract the horde!:D

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2007, 07:51:23 AM »
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No wonder you attract the horde!:D


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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2007, 07:53:55 AM »
I agree 100% unfortunately there is waaaaaayyyyyyyy too much dweebishness in the arenas. When They did the arena split I was hoping the "arcade game play" would stay in the MA, and the real fights would be in the EW and MW arenas.

In stead the good pilots stayed in the MA to cherry and the milk runners in habit the other arenas.

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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2007, 08:30:27 AM »
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Originally posted by crockett
Seems like that pretty much sums up ACM for 90% of the players in this game. It's either HO dweebs which are easy to avoid, but they always run away because they can never actually fight.

Then the rest of the fighting is either 20 guys from one team chasing one plane or 20 planes from the other team chasing one plane. If you happen to get lucky and actually find a "good" one on one fight don't worry because 5 other players will soon be trying to steal the kill from yea.

Seems no one has any respect for the actual fight, it's nothing more than a arcade game mentality to see how many kills they can land to impress their buddies.

I dunno how many times I've worked a guy down to the deck in my slower plane when they have the alt advantage... Dodging their BnZ's the whole way down getting them to burn their E. Only to get them just about where I want them only to have some dweeb in a spit or whatever plane to come jump on the kill I did all the work for because his plane is a bit faster.

Here's a thought.. if you see a guy in a one on one fight, ask him if he needs help before you just jump right in. Here is another thought.. If you find yourself being the third, forth, fifth or sixth guy chasing a single con sit back and enjoy the fight and let the first two guys play with the kill.


Too much History Channel propoganda.

Yes there were several MOH winners that HO's

But maybe there is a reason why there were so few MOH awards that were awarded to pilots who HO'd while the pilot was still alive
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Re: Re: HO's and Hoards..
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2007, 12:01:20 PM »
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Too much History Channel propoganda.

Yes there were several MOH winners that HO's

But maybe there is a reason why there were so few MOH awards that were awarded to pilots who HO'd while the pilot was still alive


HO's don't bug me too much, as I posted they can for the most part be avoided. However those MOH winners likely didn't run from the fight as soon as they couldn't get the quickie HO kill.

If I get hit with a HO for the most part I figure it's my fought because I didn't avoid it. The only HO's that bug me are when you are out numbered and some dweeb still has to HO you to get the kill.

If I'm on the side that has the other pilot out numbered then I would expect him to try to HO to even up the numbers. Overall it's just a lame no skill tactic in most cases in this game.

First pass HO'ers are always the ones that tuck their tail and run as soon as you get on their six. If you are in the fight already and you find your self in a HO pass then by all means take the shot, but this was a rant about no skill ho dweebs that can't ever do anything else.
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2007, 12:08:00 PM »
And the dweebs that continue until the collision as well!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2007, 12:18:56 PM »
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crocket speaking to -----------> brick wall.


sad but true mate.


So true.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2007, 12:28:04 PM »
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And the dweebs that continue until the collision as well!!!!!!!!!!


I have collisions every once and a while, but now that I found planes that better fit my flying style, it just doesn't happen much for me. Well at least not so much that it's an annoyance to me. I like to get on the deck and turn fight so when I first started I was trying to fly planes that didn't turn so well so I'd get collisions more often.

edit.. I see you have a p38 in your avatar.. well that's the plane I get the most collisions in. I dunno why I guess because it's wider.
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2007, 12:42:26 PM »
The HO that bugs me the most is where I am on the enemies 6 in close and just as I fire a countryman pops into the picture in a HO and I kill shoot myself.

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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2007, 12:46:29 PM »
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The HO that bugs me the most is where I am on the enemies 6 in close and just as I fire a countryman pops into the picture in a HO and I kill shoot myself.

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I love doing that to squaddies :lol


btw Crockett, what's your ingame name?

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2007, 01:04:22 PM »
War Arenas the wrong place to look for a 1 on 1.

You could try to defend EW and MW sites against milk runners.  You can take the LW arenas for what they are.  You could wing up in LW arenas with a few other and clean out the furballs.

You can go to the DA.  You can participate in the SEA events and KoTH (pretty good fights in KoTH, though they may not be the planes you like) - usually 1 on 1 fights there.... few gangs.

You've got a internet full of twitch kitties infesting online games.  Why do you think you see so many in LW with their Runstangs, L-gays, Splixteens, Nik-dweebs, and Cannon-Hawgs?  Everything ENY 10 or less?  They get tunnel vision, have not worked on any skilz, head straight in, spray and pray, look for the pick, and run when things go bad to save what little self esteem they have left.

A 1 on 1 was a rare thing in WWII, and it is a rare thing in AHII, although for different reasons.

We can hope for chivalry  and courtesy, but don't expect it.  You can try to take noob pilots under your (or a squads) wings, to teach.... but I've not seen a lot of that.  You can post all you want in these boards all you want about these subjects; but less than 10% of the online population comes to these boards.  You can complain about in on channel 200 in-game, but only those playing will see it, and others will jump and flame you for it.


As to hordes.  Put that down to mob mentality and common human desire to be on "winning" or "dominating" side.  I can't really complain about it, since it is pretty difficult to herd these AHII cats and kittens to do ANYTHING together as a group in the first place, so to those that still put together missions and get people to join.  I'll defend against these until the base is capped, then come in from another base looking to engage the ant trail and BOLO for the goon.

Just worry about your own personal conduct in the game.
If it's 6 on 1, break off, and look for the other side's cherry picker.
If it's a 1 on 1, ask if friendly needs help, or just fly his wingman position, don't take the shot.
Don't fire past friendlies while chasing a target (as often as I see the 3rd or 4th plane back in conga line doing that.....).
If I'm in a B-26 or A-20, and that Niki tries a HO me.... I'll accept (and giggle like a little girl when I dissect his ride out from under him).
Check Six whenever possible (you've got to see it to call it.... some victims don't get this part when they complain about not getting a 6 call).
Don't complain when you don't get a 6 call (yes, you were probably just "bait" to "friendlies", but you've got to watch your rear if not flying with a wingman, no one else's responsibility).
a good fight - win or lose.
Have fun.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2007, 01:14:48 PM »
Crockett, don't even bother getting upset by it.

Take a plane, (fast prop perk planes work great),

Go into a horde,

Drag one out, ignore what he says on 200 about you being a runner,

When his buddies are long gone, turn around and kill him :aok

Otherwise, go on 200 and ask if anyone else is sick and tired of the MA and wants to go to the DA.  You'll find a few volunteers and probably a much more fun hour.
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2007, 01:25:25 PM »
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War Arenas the wrong place to look for a 1 on 1.


As to hordes.  Put that down to mob mentality and common human desire to be on "winning" or "dominating" side.  


Amen.
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