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« Reply #135 on: May 08, 2007, 12:08:12 PM »
3 guys in a row who get it.

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« Reply #136 on: May 08, 2007, 12:21:05 PM »
3! That makes a "majority" right?  :D

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« Reply #137 on: May 08, 2007, 12:33:03 PM »
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next getting to server traffic....... WTF with the arena balancing when 1 arena has 120 people ........ duh if theres 130 people on and you have "supereme servers" then whats the problem with 1 arena??? instead we are forced to goto the the arena with 10 people until they are 90% balanced? come on......... most people who PAY to play prefer at least 300 in an arena........ thats where the line should be drawn before any balancing comes into play...


The reason HTC forces the cap down is to ensure both arenas are populated.  What I man is if there is only one arena of 300 what happens when mr or mrs 301 comes along.  A new arena with a cap of 300? So now mr or mrs 301 has the choice of not logging in or going in to the new arena by him or herself?

Now imagine you were 301.  Man I can hear the whines now!
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« Reply #138 on: May 08, 2007, 12:39:57 PM »
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« Reply #139 on: May 08, 2007, 02:08:48 PM »
Spent some time reading through most of these replys and started me thinking. :confused:

I have played a few online flight sims and they all had some form of limiting feature to keep a team/country/side from being completely overwhelmed to the point that players could no longer participate. I see many valid points both for and against these kinds of systems. I am new to AHII but spent many years in AW were we were backed into a corner at only one base with 50+ enemy players vulching our last field. It was impossible to even play at that point. So I do understand the frustration in that situation.

In AHII we have the ENY factor that has a limiting effect on what you can fly to avoid the above situation. How successful is it? To some extent it seems to be but in some situations it seems to be overbearing. Situations such as when the population of the server is relatively low. So I started thinking of how could ENY be modified so that it has the limiting effect needed on servers that have a large population but its' effects are minimized or eliminated on low population servers. So here is my idea, for what its worth. :huh


The current ENY system seems to be based on percent population of countrys on a server and the facilities they posses. Or some formula similar to this. Lets not get too nit picky here ok? I think my approximation is close enough.  At some point of percent of possession of map assets and population ENY kicks in and starts limiting equipment use. The problem as I think it may be is that the formula is based only on percentages and there is not relationship with the actual numbers of players on a server.

For example if there are 350 players on a server and the maximum difference between the most populated country and the least is, for arguments sake, less than 50 I dont think there is a problem. There is still a relatively large player base on each country for acceptable particpation and fights/fun/game play. There is most likely still 50+ players on the smallest populated country. Just my example here, not etched in stone on Mt. Arrarat ok.

The problem seems to be when the actual number of players on the smallest populated country becomes so small that they can not begin to put up any real defense of their assets nor can they go on the offensive to take anything back. In some situations, such as late nights when the server populations are very low this can be a real problem with even general game play. There may be only 25 players or less on the server and if your country has numbers you can be greatly limited to what you can do.

So my idea is that the current ENY formula be modified to include a "Minimum Server Population Factor", and a "Minimum/Maximum Country Population Differential Factor".   :O


I will let the experts debate exactly what each of these are and how they should be calculated. I consider myself a newb to AHII so I am not sure what the best way to build these two factors may be.

Just a thought I had while reading through the replies in this thread.

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« Reply #140 on: May 08, 2007, 03:13:35 PM »
It all ready is adjusted for population. And it dosn't just switch on and off, but adjust the scaling based on # of people in the arena.

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« Reply #141 on: May 08, 2007, 07:52:05 PM »
ok last night i seen the light of the ENY....ok you all happy now...bip is wrong about ENY
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« Reply #142 on: May 08, 2007, 07:56:42 PM »
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It all ready is adjusted for population. And it dosn't just switch on and off, but adjust the scaling based on # of people in the arena.


i STILL come back to the lower populated arenas, where rooks have 2, knights have 11, bish have 12(kinda like last night). bish pilot was up in a hurri2c.........although they outnumbered rooks. i(a knight)couldn't get a hurri2c, or a spit5, and barley a 110. i ended up goin up in  a zeke so i had a chance against the hurri....BUT why if they had for all intents and purposes the same number as us, could i not get the SAME aircraft that my immediate enemy had????????

this is my only problem with ENY.....we were pretty close to unable to defend against equal numbers. now combine that with the fact that almost 1/2 of the bish were top ranked pilots...............so where does the fairness come in?

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« Reply #143 on: May 08, 2007, 08:19:07 PM »
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i STILL come back to the lower populated arenas, where rooks have 2, knights have 11, bish have 12(kinda like last night). bish pilot was up in a hurri2c.........although they outnumbered rooks. i(a knight)couldn't get a hurri2c, or a spit5, and barley a 110. i ended up goin up in  a zeke so i had a chance against the hurri....BUT why if they had for all intents and purposes the same number as us, could i not get the SAME aircraft that my immediate enemy had????????
 


In the low populated arenas ENY can change very rapidly. Two or three pilots logging in or out can make a tremendous impact on ENY restrictions. The moment you checked ENY via Country Status does not reflect the ENY value when your enemy actually took off. His side may have had 3 pilots less just a few mins earlier, so he was able to up a Hurri 2C. ENY limiter can't stop planes already airborne.

(And if I am in an low ENY plane and see the limiter has kicked in before landing, I might even just refuel to keep my precious ride. Of course I have been called cheater for this - everybody KNOWS you cant up a P51D when ENY is 15 :D  )
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« Reply #144 on: May 08, 2007, 09:04:19 PM »
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In the low populated arenas ENY can change very rapidly. Two or three pilots logging in or out can make a tremendous impact on ENY restrictions. The moment you checked ENY via Country Status does not reflect the ENY value when your enemy actually took off. His side may have had 3 pilots less just a few mins earlier, so he was able to up a Hurri 2C. ENY limiter can't stop planes already airborne.

(And if I am in an low ENY plane and see the limiter has kicked in before landing, I might even just refuel to keep my precious ride. Of course I have been called cheater for this - everybody KNOWS you cant up a P51D when ENY is 15 :D  )

hiya lusche!!<>i likes ya better in here!! You're not killin my bombers in here:aok

anyway, i've heard that answer before, but the sides were stayin basicly like this all night...about 2 hours i think.......for this reason i was either bombing, or GV'ing......as i have trouble fightin in the german stuff yet. actually i have trouble fightin in any of it..but more in the german stuff i coulda gotten..and tyr to avoid the zeke except for base defense as it can't catch its own shadow!(very embarrassing when a set of 88's pulls away from ya with only 1 mistake)
 seriously though i do watch the sides often as i like to have an idea who i'm fighting......my earlier example is mirrored from a few weeks ago........rooks had 15, us 7, bish 6 or 7........rooks are tryin to take 67 from us. was a good squad too.....excellent pilots. they were in 10's 38's, and 109's. on my first attempt to intercept, i got a 110....ok..i did fairly well against the 110's and one of the 38's. i die. i try to re-up in a 38. can't. i try to re-up in a 110. i can't ENY had suddenly hit 28 i think it was. sides were staying pretty much as they were stated........i'm statrting to think i'm gonna move to more crowded arenas.....but then that'd move us over to the "hoarde thread" as u know a 1-1 or 2-2 there quickly turns into """DOG PILE ON THE RABBIT!!"

anyway, enough of my rant n rave for now!!!<>

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