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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2007, 11:05:58 AM »
I hope you can convince her to make the change. As others have said it has to be HER decision, you can't force a junkie to go straight.



It's threads like this where I wonder why the legalize drugs folks aren't chiming in with just leave her alone. If meth were legal do you really think it wouldn't do the same thing to the adicts? :huh
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2007, 11:22:59 AM »
I lost a brother to a heroin addiction.  Not sure which is worse, meth or heroin, but I will say this.  The only thing that can be done is to ask her if she truly wants to quit, if she does (and is not playing you to get more) then get her to a decent rehab facility.  There is one in Oklahoma (my parents and I were trying to get my brother there) that specialises in heroin and meth addicts.  I do know 4 years ago they had a 90% + success rate after 5 years with their patients.

Bottom line though is what Lazs said, she is going to have to hit rock bottom to want to change.  Unfortunately, rock bottom can be death like it was for my brother.
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2007, 12:18:34 PM »
Good luck with that J888   you might try an intervention to shock her into a bottom...  other than that, save yourself, protect your property.


Bodhi - i think meth addiction is worse than heroin in terms of how long you can live with it...  sometimes heroin junkies can go for years with and sometimes even hold jobs for a good while.  i don't think a meth addict can do that, too damaging to the body.
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2007, 12:30:10 PM »
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It's threads like this where I wonder why the legalize drugs folks aren't chiming in with just leave her alone. If meth were legal do you really think it wouldn't do the same thing to the adicts? :huh


this is not the thread to be talking about legalizing drugs, JB88 was asking for help.
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2007, 01:56:39 PM »
If she wants saving, really wants it... you can help her. If she just says she wants saving to placate everyone telling her to stop, you're in for a long bumpy ride down the road of frustration.

If shes willing to give up and not speak / hang out with her pipe sucking cronies, there's hope. If she tries to pull that ole BS "I can hang with them and not use", forget it.

To check her for being under the influence, look at her pupils.. they never lie. Opiates constrict; stimulants / depressants expand. Uniform stores sell "pupilometers" for a few bucks.
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2007, 02:16:34 PM »
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this is not the thread to be talking about legalizing drugs, JB88 was asking for help.


Believe me, I understood the subject of the thread and seconded the advice already given. He's in a tough place and I am not making light of it one bit, but in the end it's the addicts decision that is paramount. Until the addict has decided to stop being an addict anything you do will not make it better.

I would figure that an addiction thread would be a great place to discuss the other side of the drug question. This is the result isn't it? Legalizing addictive drugs is not going to make the problem with addiction go away. I fugured that the ones who want more and cheaper drugs would have something to say about this. If it's so great why would anyone want to help an addict?
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2007, 03:50:09 PM »
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Legalizing addictive drugs is not going to make the problem with addiction go away.


No, but as the alcohol model has clearly taught us it will make most of the violent crime associated with the black market trade go away, and make it much easier to deal with the addiction problem successfully.

I started to not mention the fact that we could relieve our overburdened prison system enough to simply keep all violent criminals in jail permanently, and let the taxes drug users would pay take care of the bill for the addicts' rehab, but then I decided that wouldn't be overkill after all.

The only people still arguing about this are the ones not realistic enough to see this is all about politics and money, not the evils of drugs.
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2007, 06:23:01 PM »
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No, but as the alcohol model has clearly taught us it will make most of the violent crime associated with the black market trade go away, and make it much easier to deal with the addiction problem successfully.

I started to not mention the fact that we could relieve our overburdened prison system enough to simply keep all violent criminals in jail permanently, and let the taxes drug users would pay take care of the bill for the addicts' rehab, but then I decided that wouldn't be overkill after all.

The only people still arguing about this are the ones not realistic enough to see this is all about politics and money, not the evils of drugs.


I agree that much of the crime associated with illegal drug use today would go away with decriminalization but  I won't agree that our legalization of alcohol hasn't and isn't taking a heavy toll today. While I don't want a nanny government we should not go into decriminalization without expecting to pay a price.
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2007, 06:30:59 PM »
If you cut her out of your life, don't plan on seeing her again.  She will die.

She needs help, and you need a long fuse right about now.  (Changing the locks is a good idea, though...)  

I've had many, many, many friends on everything from coke to meth to heroin.  A few are in limbo, a few are in the ground, one made it clean.  It is tough, but the guy who made it was the one least likely to.

I'm in Charlotte right now, about to drive 12 hours back.  But if you want, PM me and I'll send you my information.  I can probably organize a phone call between my friend who made it and anyone you'd like to talk to him, including your cousin.

Also, a friend of mine just graduated (only Bachelors so far) specializing in this sort of thing...  I'm sure she would be willing to help as best she can,too.

And...  Maverick...  You were a cop, yet you still think drugs should be illegal?  You're either very sheltered, or very, very cold and ignorant.  I can guarantee you've killed your share of people by your arrests and thought process.

I have plenty of ink on my arm from friends lost to drug overdoses, including my brother.  I still say drugs should be legal.  I can talk.
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2007, 07:19:53 PM »
88 I feel for ya.  Spent the last 12 years of my LE career in narcotics.  I can only echo what others have already said.................Is there help out there-------"Yes".  But until the individual (also referred to as "Addict") realizes, and accepts, there's a need for help..........the old saying applies, "you can lead the horse to the water, but ya can't make em drink".

Unfortunitly everyone's right, get new locks, and don't be played by the lies.  However, IMO, don't give up either.  If there's a chance, then it's worth the effort.  All you can do is try, and continue leading to the water's edge..............hopefull one day the individual will take a drink :aok

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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2007, 09:14:29 PM »
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No, but as the alcohol model has clearly taught us it will make most of the violent crime associated with the black market trade go away, and make it much easier to deal with the addiction problem successfully.


that just isn't true.  the the country's experience with alchohol just doesn't translate to drugs like crystal meth, crack and heroin.  it is insanity to legalize these substances for non-medical use...  unless you want to create a tidal wave of addicts in this country.
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2007, 09:50:59 PM »
Meth is to legalization what heavy chainguns are to the second amendment..

Good luck JB88.  It will be hard, but it's not impossible.  It's like pulling someone out from a thousand feet under the sea. You never really know whether it's working till they are back near the surface.
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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2007, 09:55:09 PM »
There's alotta good advice in this thread from Bodhi, Cav, Lasz, Vudak, Culero, etc. You're the one who know's her best, though, and this is the part where it get's tricky. You're gonna have to guage as best you can, what level's of Hard ball, or love and caring, are appropriate. All people are different; You're not completely on your own (You have your family's help in this, I'd imagine) and they are the ones who are gonna be the most help in this. Now, Women are more succeptible to attitudes against them, I.E. If everyone start's to shun her, you are gonna get a stronger reaction either way. Men are, should we say, harder shelled. Such as 3 of my (former) friends. They were outright denying that anything was wrong, even when they started to steal from family members, and were constantly broke. I moved away from the town I grew up in, and haven't seen them since. One, who was I'd played with since I was only 6 or 7, commited suicide several years ago.

I pray that you are able to help her back from the brink, JB.
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2007, 10:09:57 PM »
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it is insanity to legalize these substances for non-medical use...  unless you want to create a tidal wave of addicts in this country.


Its insanity to think that anyone who wants drugs can't already get them, insanity to not realize that like it or not there's a black market that we'll never be able to eliminate, and insanity to ignore the lessons history teaches.

The alcohol model is exactly on point. Alcohol was a much worse problem in this country during our misguided experiment with its prohibition. Decriminalization and regulation have allowed us to exert control that we never had during the prohibition.

Unless you're aware of some secret breakthrough that will allow the "War On Drugs" to finally start making a dent in the drug trade? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2007, 10:17:00 PM »
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Meth is to legalization what heavy chainguns are to the second amendment..
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Yet we do have a legal alternative in that case (FFL). That allows us the ability to exert some regulation.

See a possible parallel here? Maybe through the same system we use to regulate prescription drugs?
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