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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2007, 03:49:53 PM »
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MT, could you please clarify your position?.

I don't understand why attacking Iraq has helped here.

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Ahem... that was one of his points. Attacking Iraq has had zero effect on the security of the United States.
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« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2007, 03:52:18 PM »
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MT, could you please clarify your position?.

I don't understand why attacking Iraq has helped here.

shamus


LOL...

Sandman's sarcasm module is on the fritz.

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« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2007, 03:54:11 PM »
Gurlz, puleeze let us have a little respect.

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Lose?

OK. I'll be even clearer for the challenged...

So I repeat my succict and well thought out remark....

Yeah boy howdy! Lucky we attacked Iraq!

and I accept your apology.
Pictrues are worth a bajiliion woids.

This is Mav on the war.



Here is MT's camp.



This how I see the war

 

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« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2007, 03:54:24 PM »
Hehe... apparently so.
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« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2007, 11:03:15 PM »
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That means the only ones with loaded weapons would be the guards at the gate (likely to be civilian security guards) and any on duty MP's.


Someone crossing his fingers and hoping that nothing will happen doesn't make them any less soldiers though. They're far more legit targets than plain civilians.

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« Reply #80 on: May 11, 2007, 01:30:06 AM »
Hello MT,

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Lose?

OK. I'll be even clearer for the challenged:

A comment was made in the 1st post that basically said people would forget the significance of the war in Iraq because this terrorist event was thwarted.


If I quibble with your interpretation here, I hope you'll forgive me as I was the author. I think you missed my original point. What I wrote was:

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Had this come to pass, it might have been a reminder that the United States is actually involved in a world-wide war against an ideology that knows no borders and will be satisfied with nothing short of absolute hegemony.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/...ortdixplot.html

As it is, the fact that it was detected means that it will be forgotten in one or two news cycles and we'll go back to believing that when we leave Iraq and Afghanistan we'll all live happily ever after


The point was this; the success of law enforcement in thwarting attacks at home and the willingness of the media to submerge or ignore Jihadi attacks abroad outside of Iraq (Thailand, the Phillipines, Turkey, Idonesia, Sudan, etc.) means that many if not most Americans do not realize that they have an implacably opposed enemy who is at war with them and will not stop fighting them till they have surrendered, been killed, or have converted.

Because of this we can construct a scenario that says when we withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan, we will be at peace with the Jihadists. If we accept defeat in those nations, the war will come to a close. This fails to grapple with the main point that, as you yourself put it, the War was never over Iraq, or even Afghanistan for that matter. If we just accept the Islamist disinformation, it is because there is an infidel presence in the Middle East (and they mean everywhere in the Dar-El-Islam, not just Iraq and Afghanistan), but as the Spaniards learned, meeting their demands and withdrawing from Iraq did not end the attacks, they actually accelerated after that. The problem was not Spain was in the Dar-El-Islam, the problem is that Spain is not yet part of the Dar-El-Islam (or actually part of it again, and this time for good.)

That's what I meant.

MT, you can feel free to interpret the attack on Iraq as good or bad, stupid or brilliant. Either way, leaving Iraq or staying in Iraq won't end the war.

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« Reply #81 on: May 11, 2007, 03:36:57 AM »
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Someone crossing his fingers and hoping that nothing will happen doesn't make them any less soldiers though. They're far more legit targets than plain civilians.
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Fishu, if this were a conventional war with an "honorable" army as the enemy, I might agree.  It is an unconventional war, with radical Islamist insurgents that we are fighting. They know they can never hope to beat a disciplined army, so they attack targets of opportunity to maximize headlines, and their agenda... They prefer to hit the unarmed, *and in your case, unaware* civilian population for the terror aspect.

Tell me, is a country more likely to want to end a war if only its army is being killed, or are the citizens more likely to demand an end when they see their protectors cannot keep them safe?

What will get attention faster: A single attack on a military target?  Or several simultaneous attacks on large concentrations of civilians at malls, schools, church?

These idiots won't quit until you are converted to Islam, or are dead.  Period.  And if you do convert, it will be so as a third class subject in their skewed world.  No privileges, perks, or special interest group will save you other than yourself, and our military.  

The minority groups are trying to do this through lawsuits and special interest lobbyists.  Islamist radicals are doing it with guns and bombs.
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« Reply #82 on: May 11, 2007, 09:22:00 AM »
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MT, you can feel free to interpret the attack on Iraq as good or bad, stupid or brilliant. Either way, leaving Iraq or staying in Iraq won't end the war.


Never said it would. What I said was, we are squandering lives and resources in Iraq, and getting ZERO benefit towards our goal... which is what? To end terrorism?

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« Reply #83 on: May 11, 2007, 09:45:27 AM »
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Seagoon

 

Never said it would. What I said was, we are squandering lives and resources in Iraq, and getting ZERO benefit towards our goal... which is what? To end terrorism?
You are really a "Glass half empty" type... aren't you?

What would you tell the parents, and relatives of all those 'squandered' in Iraq?
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« Reply #84 on: May 11, 2007, 10:38:37 AM »
perspective;, after the american civil war federal troops occupied the south for ten years, 1865 to 1875, it was called "Reconstruction".

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« Reply #85 on: May 11, 2007, 10:58:02 AM »
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Someone crossing his fingers and hoping that nothing will happen doesn't make them any less soldiers though. They're far more legit targets than plain civilians.


So terrorism on American soil is legitimate to you. Thanks, that clarifies a few things.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #86 on: May 11, 2007, 11:31:28 AM »
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So terrorism on American soil is legitimate to you. Thanks, that clarifies a few things.:rolleyes:


Well..  let's see... you're at war with the terrorist/freedom fighters in the middle east, at least they're making daily attacks against the US military on foreign soil. Why shouldn't they attack their enemy on a foreign soil if given the opportunity? Should they do it with an aircraft carrier before it'd be legit to any degree?

However, nowhere did I say I think it's completely legit what you're saying. I don't think it's legit to make terror attacks on the civilian population. My opinion is that if the terrorist, freedom fighters, resistance fighters.. whatever.. want to fight, then they should do it against the military and the leaders of the military, not the civilians. Otherwise they'd only hypocrits. I don't care where the military is located, because they've all signed up for the same job - to support their country militarily.

Is the USA at war? Yes. Are the military bases in the USA supporting the war? Yes. Are military targets legit in a war? Yes. There you go.

Otherwise, don't attack the terr...  resist...  free.. ah.. whatever training camps on a foreign soil. Remember that in the US - Iran war too - Don't attack the insufficiently defended iranian military bases! Oh, and be careful before blowing things up because there might be a civilian contractor working among the iranian soldiers (did I hear you say "collateral damage"?).
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« Reply #87 on: May 11, 2007, 11:52:55 AM »
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You are really a "Glass half empty" type... aren't you?

What would you tell the parents, and relatives of all those 'squandered' in Iraq?


:aok

Was the kool-aide good?

I'd tell them thank you for serving your Country..

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« Reply #88 on: May 12, 2007, 09:05:18 AM »
I get two things out of the plot..

One, that world wide muslim islamofacists have all they can do just to kill a few civilians in one little country far away..  and that is a good thing.   it was gonna have to happen soon enough in any case.

The second thing I see is that most of the homeland security crap is just that.. we have plenty of federal and local police already to follow up on a lead by a store clerk...

Or.. maybe we should pay store clerks $100k a year and fire some government cops?

I think that homeland security is a bad thing.. both the democrats and the republicans like it tho... they can use it to grow the government and to harrass their enemies.

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