Author Topic: Plot to Attack Ft. Dix Foiled (Read 2081 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #45 on:** May 09, 2007, 12:53:22 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Really?

So you are suggesting that they wanted to attack 'because' of the Iraq war? Or maybe 'in spite' of the Iraq war? I mean which is it? And does it really matter which it is, because either way the Iraq war didn't help.

I am not suggesting anything. I asked a question about a post you made. Here let me quote my own post again.

"Since none were from Iraq, perhaps you can explain how that ties in.

Quote "Four of the men were born in the former Yugoslavia, one was born in Jordan and one came from Turkey, authorities said. All had lived in the United States for years. Three were in the United States illegally; two had green cards allowing them to stay in this country permanently; and the sixth is a U.S. citizen. "

Please note that in the interrogatory there is no suggestion stated nor implied, just a question regarding a statement made by you.

Please also note that neither Iraq or Afghanistan were cited as a place where they came from. My quote is specifically from the article cited in the beginning of the thread. That does imply I had read it otherwise I would not have had the quote to begin with.

Also note that no where in my posts have I implied that my Police experience had a factor in either the original situation or the question I asked which you still have not answered.

midnight Target · « **Reply #46 on:** May 09, 2007, 01:53:44 PM »

Holy Crap!

It was SARCASM!!!

sheesh.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #47 on:** May 09, 2007, 06:05:58 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
You would have to read the original post in the thread, then you would have to understand that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were cited, then you would have to realize that attacking Iraq had absolutely NOTHING to do with thwarting this attack, then you would need to see the irony of the original cite, then maybe you as a former police officer would need to see that police work and not armed invasions have done more to thwart attacks on our soil, then and only then would I be able to explain....

Now aren't you amazed that I covered all of that in one line?

boy howdy.

Actually I think the clerk in the video store deserves the vast bulk of the credit

If not for him we may very well have been discussing this at a future date afterand about a tragedy had already happened and the Dept of homeland security and the rest of Law enforcement would still be scratching their collective arses wonding how it could have happend.

And again I would be ranting on how if even without the Patriot act if laws already in place were simply enforced to begin with there would have been 3 less of them (illegal aliens)

Maverick · « **Reply #48 on:** May 09, 2007, 06:06:35 PM »

Which was sarcasm, the first post I asked the question about or the ones you posted in response afterwards?

VOR · « **Reply #49 on:** May 09, 2007, 06:08:12 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually I think the clerk in the video store deserves the vast bulk of the credit

I agree.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #50 on:** May 09, 2007, 06:46:35 PM »

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually I think the clerk in the video store deserves the vast bulk of the credit
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Do you guys wonder, if what the clerk had on his mind when he turned this in, was the more recent VT shootings, rather than 9/11?

This whole thing seems too weird. Previous Terrorist actions( Such as 9/11) were carried out by individuals that seemed more "serious" about what they were doing. Why make a tape of yourself at some place during target practice anyway? I heard that with some sects' of islam, a form of will is usually kept, but this was more like the tape those two kids made before the Columbine shooting. At very best, these clowns, while still posing some threat, were rank amateurs. They took ridiculous risks and exposed themselves to capture. This one's sorta like a "what not to do" for the Islamic Fanatic.

Fishu · « **Reply #51 on:** May 09, 2007, 11:21:04 PM »

The good thing here is that they planned to attack a military target, not a civilian target. Of course attacks are never good, but they showed some attitude by not attacking unarmed civilians who have no involvement in their war. They could have planned to go on a gun rampage in a shopping mall, school, or in other heavily populated area... or simply blow up bombs.

Sixpence · « **Reply #52 on:** May 10, 2007, 12:30:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Which was sarcasm, the first post I asked the question about or the ones you posted in response afterwards?

Yes.

lazs2 · « **Reply #53 on:** May 10, 2007, 08:44:45 AM »

I agree with chair that it was even better that no patriot act bs stopped this attack.

lazs

Odee · « **Reply #54 on:** May 10, 2007, 09:15:02 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
My opinion? we haven't had any successful attacks here in ages.
...No huge alphabet soup government agency caught these guys... A clerk at a DVD copy place caught em. If we disbanded all the homeland security BS these guys would have still been caught.

lazs

True, true.

Seen this article that paints the 6 as "Boys Gone Astray" ?

Lazs hit the nail on the head, with his "Only reason the USA doesn't see more attacks on her shores." assessment. If we pull out, or otherwise signal defeat to the Islamofascists, then you'll begin seeing a marked increase in thses plots, and attacks on the home shores. It's no longer a matter of "If", but "When".

Hell, the USA hasn't really had a blackeye in decades... nothing that really got American's together since Pearl Harbor, and for sure, nothing that has gotten the majority of citizens united against a common foe. 9/11 was a tap to the back of the head compared to what we have coming in the near future.

Dux · « **Reply #55 on:** May 10, 2007, 09:22:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
The good thing here is that they planned to attack a military target, not a civilian target. Of course attacks are never good, but they showed some attitude by not attacking unarmed civilians...

On an American military base, there are just as many civilians as there are military personnel... perhaps more.

Flit · « **Reply #56 on:** May 10, 2007, 09:27:33 AM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually I think the clerk in the video store deserves the vast bulk of the credit
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Do you guys wonder, if what the clerk had on his mind when he turned this in, was the more recent VT shootings, rather than 9/11?

This whole thing seems too weird. Previous Terrorist actions( Such as 9/11) were carried out by individuals that seemed more "serious" about what they were doing. Why make a tape of yourself at some place during target practice anyway? I heard that with some sects' of islam, a form of will is usually kept, but this was more like the tape those two kids made before the Columbine shooting. At very best, these clowns, while still posing some threat, were rank amateurs. They took ridiculous risks and exposed themselves to capture. This one's sorta like a "what not to do" for the Islamic Fanatic.

I think you will find that this investigation was underway long before the shootings at VA Tech took place.

Odee · « **Reply #57 on:** May 10, 2007, 09:49:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Dux
On an American military base, there are just as many civilians as there are military personnel... perhaps more.

Right spot on Dux. From his comment, I do not think Fishu has ever been on a military base/reservation, or he'd not only know about the civvies, but that the majority of military on US bases bases are unarmed as they go about their daily duties.

These ...{insert derogatory word(s)} nimrods could just as easily have hit a Malls of America during Holiday shopping. In fact, that would be far easier than hitting a controlled access target such as a military base. Case in point the recent spate of mall shootings.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #58 on:** May 10, 2007, 09:52:14 AM »

Ty, Flit-I completely overlooked that.

The clerk turned the video over in January of 2006. That's about a year and a half ago. Over a year before VT.

Why do you guys think they waited so long?

Chairboy · « **Reply #59 on:** May 10, 2007, 10:19:47 AM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Ty, Flit-I completely overlooked that.

The clerk turned the video over in January of 2006. That's about a year and a half ago. Over a year before VT.

Why do you guys think they waited so long?

It's called "an investigation", not a "panicky detainment and gitmoization zomg AAAAARRGHHH!". It's amazing what happens when you deal with professional LEOs instead of the new breed of "If it's not an american flag, it's probably a bomb" types that flip out prematurely.

If they had been part of a cell organization, they'd never have known if they had just picked 'em up right away anyhow.