Author Topic: A mental excercise (Read 2341 times)

LYNX · « **Reply #30 on:** May 11, 2007, 10:05:48 PM »

OK we may well have an equal understanding off ACM and SA but we just don't know how to ACTUALLY fly.....would we be better ? No chance!

Considering 80 % of guys shot down didn't see the enemy. Considering most engagements lasted less than 1 minute. Considering all was pretty much hit and run I doubt very few of us, under actual fire would do all the game bollocks like flaps, throttle, gear lowered and 2 or 3 on ones.

I've danced with the reaper a couple of times (not under fire) and believe me it's that last place you want to be.

DON'T kid yourselves...we're cartoon pilots.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #31 on:** May 11, 2007, 10:11:42 PM »

If, for the sake of this discussion, we were to clone a WW2 pilot, and the clone were to receive, as an example, my AOE/WW2F/AW/AH sortie time, with that sim time as the only difference, I'd put my money on the clone for sure.

If you're saying how would I fare against a WW2 pilot (which is what most folks seem to be thinking you meant), I'm sure I'd be ****ed.

Just to be clear, is the former, or the latter, your intended point for discussion?

MajWoody · « **Reply #32 on:** May 12, 2007, 12:07:32 AM »

I think without the red icons the nme planes would be VERY difficult to see & identify. Try flying a few sorties without icons. Might give some perspective.

JB88 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 12, 2007, 12:25:44 AM »

you know what i have always wondered...???

lets say i am sitting in the back seat of a small single engine plane when the pilot has a heart attack and dies.

would i be able to land that puppy, given what i know?

DiabloTX · « **Reply #34 on:** May 12, 2007, 12:36:00 AM »

I'd say you'd have a much better shot at it than, say, mr. world of warcraft player.

But then again you'd have no idea how to fly a flying mount now would you?

JB88 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 12, 2007, 12:44:58 AM »

as long as i could find everything i think i could maybe swing it. ...a big maybe, but i'd have to try...and i would think i would have a bit of a better shot than joe blow who knows nothing of flight mechanics.

(not asking for this to happen universe so don't even think about it!)

hubsonfire · « **Reply #36 on:** May 12, 2007, 01:08:56 AM »

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Originally posted by JB88
you know what i have always wondered...???

lets say i am sitting in the back seat of a small single engine plane when the pilot has a heart attack and dies.

would i be able to land that puppy, given what i know?

I was amazed at how simple the little 172 I went up in was. Throttle setup like my lawnmower, flaps are on the right; push stick forward, trees get bigger, pull stick back, trees get smaller. No matter what happens, you will eventually land, whether you want to or not.

It's not rocket scientology.

Kurt · « **Reply #37 on:** May 12, 2007, 01:38:47 AM »

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Originally posted by JB88

lets say i am sitting in the back seat of a small single engine plane when the pilot has a heart attack and dies.

would i be able to land that puppy, given what i know?

Based on simming in AH? maybe you could, but probably not. The difference in speed would probably surprise you. Many planes in AH fall out of the sky at Cessna approach speeds. Like it or not, the AH environment is very simplified.. The models are realitively forgiving, there is no wind or serious weather.

Also, AH makes you a bit of a ham fist, jerking the controls around like you do in AH would plaster you to the street pretty fast in a civilian single engine..

If you have a lot of experience flying small planes in MS Flight Sim you would probably have a better chance, but it would still be unwise to try except in a bonafide emergency.

I find the Cessna in FS2004 and in FSX behave very much like the ones I've flown in real life.. The sim ones climb better, and they don't really stall right, but otherwise they behave by the numbers.

texasmom · « **Reply #38 on:** May 12, 2007, 01:41:44 AM »

I think I remember hearing a few years back about a teenager who stole a plane & went around joyriding ~ landed (I don't remember how sucessful his landing was... but sucessful enough to tell about it later). He later said he "learned how to fly" by using a sim game.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #39 on:** May 12, 2007, 02:37:29 AM »

German Fighter Ace Hans-Joachim Marseille had 158 victories with no deaths. I've never seen anyone in the game do that.

Squire · « **Reply #40 on:** May 12, 2007, 05:20:02 AM »

Real life:

*Weather, rain, cloud, sleet, bad visibility, ect.

*No in flight radar at all.

*No GPS insta-map to show where you are.

*Cockpits that have very limited 6 views.

*Poor radio comms. No "buffer" to communicate with friendlies.

*No icons AT ALL. NONE.

*REAL BULLETS.

*KNOWING IF YOU DIE YOU REALLY DIE.

...try that and see how long you last in a real combat tour in 1944.

That and the continuing fallacy that real air combat involved 1 vs 1 "duels" where in actuallity, very few contests like that ever happened, and the reason many manuevers are tried in the MA is because you know if you screw up, your life isnt going to end.

Fulmar · « **Reply #41 on:** May 12, 2007, 09:19:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Squire
...try that and see how long you last in a real combat tour in 1944.

That and the continuing fallacy that real air combat involved 1 vs 1 "duels" where in actuallity, very few contests like that ever happened, and the reason many manuevers are tried in the MA is because you know if you screw up, your life isnt going to end.

And for the lamers in the MA, warping is not a real life ACM.

Lusche · « **Reply #42 on:** May 12, 2007, 09:55:17 AM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
German Fighter Ace Hans-Joachim Marseille had 158 victories with no deaths. I've never seen anyone in the game do that.

I'm pretty sure such things have happened alot in AH history. Even my personal "best" was 182 kills in Tempest before running into a superb flown 109K-4. So I guess if any of the real good sticks here would try it, they would beat this easily...

CarlsBee · « **Reply #43 on:** May 12, 2007, 10:39:06 AM »

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Originally posted by JB88
you know what i have always wondered...???

lets say i am sitting in the back seat of a small single engine plane when the pilot has a heart attack and dies.

would i be able to land that puppy, given what i know?

Cannot answer that, but can assure you that you would not stay up there for ever.

jaxxo · « **Reply #44 on:** May 12, 2007, 10:48:35 AM »

were all men ..well mostly...(noted women can fly as well) and given the chance we would do just as well...if we all had the same training as ww2 pilots but with a massive amount of sim time theres no doubt a virtual pilot would have an edge....hell they use to recruit podunk farm boys because they hunted and had a good grasp of lead gunnery