Author Topic: P-51D... the new La-7??? (Read 3304 times)

Viking · « **Reply #45 on:** May 13, 2007, 07:48:48 PM »

Laugh it up Stang. Won't make it any less true.

frosty · « **Reply #46 on:** May 13, 2007, 09:10:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Xasthur
The 51 could/(can) be very dangerous in the right hands.

This is the only way I've seen anyone fly the P-51 successfully (including some very high up on the scoreboards):

If contact is at co-alt, run away. Unless contact is outnumbered 5-1, in which case let the other 4 guys run in and soften him up first. Then dive in on the deadstick, aileron-less brick and take the kill.

If contact is 5K+ below, dive on six and fire-fire-fire in the split second you blast by. Run away until the guy you just whiffed on gives up chasing you. Turn around, catch up, whiff again, run away. Rinse. Repeat. If target is not dead by the time E advantage is squandered and/or you're both on the deck, run home.

Or, just lounge around at 25K waiting for injured RTBs and/or goons.

Serenity · « **Reply #47 on:** May 13, 2007, 09:13:03 PM »

My lord, what did I start?!?

evenhaim · « **Reply #48 on:** May 13, 2007, 11:47:44 PM »

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Originally posted by frosty
This is the only way I've seen anyone fly the P-51 successfully (including some very high up on the scoreboards):

If contact is at co-alt, run away. Unless contact is outnumbered 5-1, in which case let the other 4 guys run in and soften him up first. Then dive in on the deadstick, aileron-less brick and take the kill.

If contact is 5K+ below, dive on six and fire-fire-fire in the split second you blast by. Run away until the guy you just whiffed on gives up chasing you. Turn around, catch up, whiff again, run away. Rinse. Repeat. If target is not dead by the time E advantage is squandered and/or you're both on the deck, run home.

Or, just lounge around at 25K waiting for injured RTBs and/or goons.

frosty uve been flying against the wrong guys

p51s are great planes but sadly have earned bad names thanks to n00bs look up some of us pony drivers if u wish to see a good p51 fight, ie: anyone from the 412th fs, 4th fg, and pony express

tedrbr · « **Reply #49 on:** May 14, 2007, 12:28:20 AM »

As when I'm flying (ie, when motherboard/processor on game machine not fried, like now), the Pony of Choice is the P-51B. Nice ENY of 20. If you can't hit with 4 X .50's, you won't be much better with 6 X .50's.

I don't try to dogfight with it in T&B mode. I use it for high altitude escorts and patrolling edges and approaches to a furball. I fly it as a B&Z. Stay fast. Approach, dive in, take a snap shot, extend. Repeat as necessary.

to those of you that can dogfight low in a Pony.

If I'm in another plane, usually I just jink and force an overshoot of the Ponies in the area while I chase other planes around. I might catch a ping or two, but generally, a Pony coming at my Yak, La-5, or Ki-84 will generally be moving to fast from altitude to stay with my turn.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #50 on:** May 14, 2007, 12:49:01 AM »

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Originally posted by frosty
This is the only way I've seen anyone fly the P-51 successfully (including some very high up on the scoreboards):

If contact is at co-alt, run away. Unless contact is outnumbered 5-1, in which case let the other 4 guys run in and soften him up first. Then dive in on the deadstick, aileron-less brick and take the kill.

If contact is 5K+ below, dive on six and fire-fire-fire in the split second you blast by. Run away until the guy you just whiffed on gives up chasing you. Turn around, catch up, whiff again, run away. Rinse. Repeat. If target is not dead by the time E advantage is squandered and/or you're both on the deck, run home.

Or, just lounge around at 25K waiting for injured RTBs and/or goons.

Weak. sounds to me like the senseless rantings of a guy that can't handle 51's. Most goons are on the deck... can ya even see a goon from 25k?

SteveBailey · « **Reply #51 on:** May 14, 2007, 12:49:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
How so? I'm xVIKINGx online.

You are Gscholz of old. It would be silly of you to deny this.

Saxman · « **Reply #52 on:** May 14, 2007, 07:20:04 AM »

Something that works against 90% of alt-monkey cherry-picking Ponies:

Let him dive on your 6 until he's ~1-1.5k out. Split-S HARD under him and watch for him to overshoot his dive, then immediately follow with another to reverse. The majority of the time that puts you right on his tail while he's scrambling to pull out of his dive. If you don't bag him or have a shot, grab some alt back while he extends. Generally after 2-3 passes you've got him if he keeps trying to press his attack.

This works against most anything making high-speed diving attacks, although it seems to be most effective against the P-51.

Serenity · « **Reply #53 on:** May 14, 2007, 07:33:49 AM »

Or, turn so you are 45 degrees into him. When he hits D=800, Pull up, roll away from him, deploy flaps and siddle nicely in behind his over-speed, compressed aircraft for a snapshot.

Rino · « **Reply #54 on:** May 14, 2007, 10:12:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
My lord, what did I start?!?

A thread chock full of stupid. I don't blame you though, you were just
making an observation

SteveBailey · « **Reply #55 on:** May 14, 2007, 11:07:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
Or, turn so you are 45 degrees into him. When he hits D=800, Pull up, roll away from him, deploy flaps and siddle nicely in behind his over-speed, compressed aircraft for a snapshot.

I'll call BS.. have a film of this? A compressed pony is going 500 ish or so. I'd love to see you pull a decent snapshot opportunity with this move. Otherwise, you are typing fiction.

Engine · « **Reply #56 on:** May 14, 2007, 12:46:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Trikky
I've asked for a special flashing icon for Ponys that automagically picks up on the anxiety levels of the pilot by the way its flown - speed, g forces, alt, ratio of friendlies to enemies etc so we as a community could sympathise with 99% of the D pilots.

It wouldn't have to be too complicated. From the moment it spawns till it hits about 20k circling in its own base ack it would be pink, or 'I'm scared'. Then when it joines up with 5 other D ponies and heads to a red dar bar it would be greenish yellow, or 'I'm puking with fear'. When they get within icon range of the single red plane with a smoking engine, half the control surfaces missing etc it would be brownish yellow, or 'I'm so scared I've lost control of my bowels'.

Trouble is with this system I cant think of suitable visual representations when they find themselves alone with a con closing on their 6 with nothing to run to, other than spontaneously exploding or 'I'm having a heart attack!'.

Best post in this thread!

I was gone for a year. Before that there was a fair share of dweebiness in AH, so I am used to it. Since coming back, the amount of incompetent pansified dweebiness in the MA has been astounding. I would certainly agree that the 51 is the new La7. It's a safe bet now that if I see one, he's incompetent with no desire to engage beyond a few ineffectual lame passes, and since that's all they do, they never improve.

The 51 when flown by a good pilot is a very dangerous plane, however. It's just that the MA is so full of pansies that it's hard to find one who can surprise you by what it can do!

Viking · « **Reply #57 on:** May 14, 2007, 01:40:24 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
You are Gscholz of old. It would be silly of you to deny this.

Ah yes, but back in AH1 and early AH2 the Pony was a completely different aircraft. It was a rather good turner and had forgiving departure characteristics. Now, after the FM revisions the Pony has a wider turning circle than the 190D (by a few feet) and equally bad departure characteristics.

To clarify: Since I returned to AH I have not been shot down by a Pony (I suspect this will eventually change though).

SteveBailey · « **Reply #58 on:** May 14, 2007, 02:17:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Ah yes, but back in AH1 and early AH2 the Pony was a completely different aircraft. It was a rather good turner and had forgiving departure characteristics. Now, after the FM revisions the Pony has a wider turning circle than the 190D (by a few feet) and equally bad departure characteristics.

Ok, thank you for clarifying. You are right about the current pony. It's been emasculated.

frosty · « **Reply #59 on:** May 14, 2007, 03:39:15 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Weak. sounds to me like the senseless rantings of a guy that can't handle 51's. Most goons are on the deck... can ya even see a goon from 25k?

Sounds to me like I hit a nerve. Too close to home?

When someone flies a 51 this way, what's to "handle"? They never put themselves in harm's way.

I'm not saying it's wrong or cheating. I'm just saying it's common, and most of those who don't fly ponies this way are generally DOA.

Do you disagree?