Author Topic: Frustrated (Read 3717 times)

The Fugitive · « **Reply #60 on:** May 15, 2007, 12:07:02 PM »

and Hub you could have ended with ...........

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.....The fact is the biggest thing that makes the game fun, is the friends i have made. if you have to plot and plan to fly with freinds, not just squaddies

sometimes its easier to just go watch tv after working a 13 hour day.

"Friends can't be that important to ya if ya can't handle jumping through a couple of hoops for them!"

yanksfan · « **Reply #61 on:** May 15, 2007, 01:40:36 PM »

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Just using the same logic that you used with regard to those who like the setup.

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Those who like the setup, and are perfectly happy to continue with out reguard for those who don't, will be flying with each other and squeekers real soon.
HTC can not disreguard the will of the VAST majority of subscribers in favor of a very mouthy minority who attack anyone who protests or vents their frustration here.
You have no idea what my logic is,personally as i have said b4, Eny is like communism, it simply dosen't work, we all would be better off without it.
I personally don't have a problem changeing sides, i have friends thru out the community, but some not all but some change sides so they can fly ubber planes aganst lesser rides,not knocking them, just another way of gameing the game.

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You mean like 100 threads where people chant "get rid of ENY" or "get rid of split arenas", but can't offer a workable alternative?
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I have heard many idea's, some better then others, all need work, but plenty of them, the problem is any time anyone has an idea it never gets discussed because people like your self won't listen to any point of veiw that conflicks with your opinion. instead you attack, sarcasm, your simple lil 'just change sides' thing, if all else fails you go right to name calling. I don't mean you personally but the mouthy minarity as a whole.

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Hello, irony.

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You wanna talk irony, the next clip you post on here, im sure won't be anything the least bit constructive, I'm sure your already thinking of whitty lil insults to change the topic.

In short, why can't you just listen to what people have to say rather then spin their comments aganst them, insult them, or try and invalidate their opinions with your sarcasm.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #62 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:05:45 PM »

Where is this vast majority who are ready to walk out? Why did they stick around this long if they're so miserable?

You're right on one thing; I have no idea what your logic is. Asking that a game to be changed so that the side with an overwhelming number of players has no restrictions? I definitely don't see the logic.

I do listen to people's ideas; even the really bad ones. If that weren't the case, I wouldn't have replied in this thread with helpful suggestions to avoid ENY restrictions.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #63 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:07:49 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Where is this vast majority who are ready to walk out? Why did they stick around this long if they're so miserable?

You're right on one thing; I have no idea what your logic is. Asking that a game to be changed so that the side with an overwhelming number of players has no restrictions? I definitely don't see the logic.

Perfectly stated, if the whiners continue to "threaten to leave", then nut up and leave.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #64 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:08:53 PM »

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Originally posted by yanksfan
You wanna talk irony, the next clip you post on here, im sure won't be anything the least bit constructive, I'm sure your already thinking of whitty lil insults to change the topic.

In short, why can't you just listen to what people have to say rather then spin their comments aganst them, insult them, or try and invalidate their opinions with your sarcasm.

In short, How many more threads are needed until the "Whiners" become silent on the issue?

Kazaa · « **Reply #65 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:37:11 PM »

Bring back the old MA

yanksfan · « **Reply #66 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:39:19 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Where is this vast majority who are ready to walk out? Why did they stick around this long if they're so miserable?
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I never threaetend to leave,never suggested there would be a mass desertion, but you can't possibly think this problem is doing anything good for vet retension.
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You're right on one thing; I have no idea what your logic is. Asking that a game to be changed so that the side with an overwhelming number of players has no restrictions? I definitely don't see the logic.
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You said you were following my logic.i agree ,should be some kinda way to balance sides evenly or at least more so, without eny restrictions on plane sets tho.

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I do listen to people's ideas; even the really bad ones. If that weren't the case, I wouldn't have replied in this thread with helpful suggestions to avoid ENY restrictions.

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Repeatedly telling frustrated people to "just switch sides" only frustrates them more, not helpful.

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look pal, my only beef with you or anyone, is the simplistic manner in which you tell people to shut up., i could care less about eny or maps, or anything like that, but I just can't stand it when peoples opinions are suppressed by the mob, Over and over again I see people express a thought, comment ,concern, frustration, or even a whine or two. have it thrown back in there face and get berated for openning their mouth, and it's always the same lil hollier then tho %#$@@#$#%'s that never have anything constructive to say.
maybe a little mutual respect and common politeness may be in order.

yanksfan · « **Reply #67 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:44:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
In short, How many more threads are needed until the "Whiners" become silent on the issue?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------That is a very sad thing to say>

The Fugitive · « **Reply #68 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:47:51 PM »

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Originally posted by yanksfan
........ Over and over again I see people express a thought, comment ,concern, frustration, or even a whine or two.

This may be the problem, tho I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, "people express a thought, comment ,concern, frustration, or even a whine or two, Over and over again !!! its posted over and over again, every comment, whine etc. etc etc. Some poeple just get feed up with hearing it over and over. If some of these people ran a search in stead of dredging up the same old fights over and over it would be a much quiter place on these boards.

yanksfan · « **Reply #69 on:** May 15, 2007, 03:07:28 PM »

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Originally posted by The Fugitive
This may be the problem, tho I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, "people express a thought, comment ,concern, frustration, or even a whine or two, Over and over again !!! its posted over and over again, every comment, whine etc. etc etc. Some poeple just get feed up with hearing it over and over. If some of these people ran a search in stead of dredging up the same old fights over and over it would be a much quiter place on these boards.

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Well i suppose there is some wisdom in your words. However, a little respect goes along way to calm disgruntled souls. Thats all I'm saying, i do tend to get fired up, and I don't mean to offend, but i really can't stand to see a voice being suppressed.
There is no way to please all the people all the time.........yada yada.
this system is not working to well, some like, others don't.

"S"

hubsonfire · « **Reply #70 on:** May 15, 2007, 03:08:14 PM »

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I never threaetend to leave,never suggested there would be a mass desertion, but you can't possibly think this problem is doing anything good for vet retension.

Yes, you did ,

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Those who like the setup, and are perfectly happy to continue with out reguard for those who don't, will be flying with each other and squeekers real soon.

and yes, I do. If HTC changes anything (especially something like this that makes so many people whine), then he must have been losing money before, since there's no reason to anger your customers, unless it's something which will make more customers happy, or bring more customers in. Since he hasn't changed it back, and says they've got more customers than ever (and more people playing than ever before), I have to logically assume that this situation is better for business, and therefore is retaining more people.

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Originally posted by yanksfan

look pal, my only beef with you or anyone, is the simplistic manner in which you tell people to shut up., i could care less about eny or maps, or anything like that, but I just can't stand it when peoples opinions are suppressed by the mob, Over and over again I see people express a thought, comment ,concern, frustration, or even a whine or two. have it thrown back in there face and get berated for openning their mouth, and it's always the same lil hollier then tho %#$@@#$#%'s that never have anything constructive to say.
maybe a little mutual respect and common politeness may be in order.

Yeah, funny, I have pretty much the same opinion of your posts. Now that's irony.

yanksfan · « **Reply #71 on:** May 15, 2007, 03:16:27 PM »

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Originally posted by yanksfan
Those who like the setup, and are perfectly happy to continue with out reguard for those who don't, will be flying with each other and squeekers real soon.

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Maybe I did, not in so many words, but i guess i did, not what i ment to say exactly.but now that i read it again , i see your point.

and as far as HTC goes, marketing for profit and growth does not nessasarily go hand in hand with better game play.

And if everyone was so happy,we wouldn't have this conversation.

"S"

SlapShot · « **Reply #72 on:** May 15, 2007, 03:55:32 PM »

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And if everyone was so happy,we ...

would be living in Shangri-La in a state of Nirvana.

Point being ... HTC will NEVER EVER make everyone happy ... I repeat NEVER EVER ... it's impossible in the genre.

Any decision he makes will piss off some faction ... his goal is to appease the majority ... that is all he can do and seeing that this game is bigger than it has ever been ... I think at this juncture ... he has appeased the majority.

Ghastly · « **Reply #73 on:** May 15, 2007, 04:17:00 PM »

Actually, it seems to me that ENY doesn't noticably encourage EITHER side switching or an arena change - what it mostly seems to do is encourage sitting in the tower periodically checking back to see if it's dropped while you are waiting for "your" ride, or bellyaching about it over country radio ...

BaldEagl would like to fly with his mates, and either can't get into the arena where they are already playing, or if he does get in there, can't choose a ride he wants to fly. In and of itself, not unreasonable things he wants.

If was to suggest a change at this point, It would be to add a perk bonus/cost to changing sides based upon the numbers. Perhaps something on the order of a bonus of 2 x ENY as an incentive, and perhaps a smaller bite (1/2 x ENY) to change to the higher numbered side. (Otherwise, people might refuse to change to another country knowing that they'll eventually be switching back to fly with friends, and not wanting to risk a loss of perks to switch back.)

If this worked, it would encourage more people to change sides and balance things out. And if the people playing in an arena balance the arenas themselves, it eliminates a lot of issues.

VERTEX · « **Reply #74 on:** May 15, 2007, 04:26:48 PM »

We need simplification, not more complexity. Get rid of squads.

If squads are eliminated players will not worry as much about which arena they are in.

Players will have to work with who ever is on line to accomplish complex tasks.

Players will be exposed to more ways of doing things.

Players will get to know a greater number of other players.

Comraderie amoungst players will increase.

Squads are elitist.