Author Topic: spitfire = lazy? (Read 3975 times)

2bighorn · « **Reply #105 on:** July 02, 2007, 11:08:40 AM »

Antagonizing Shifty antagonizes antagonists.

Shifty · « **Reply #106 on:** July 02, 2007, 11:10:36 AM »

Stop it you're bugging me!:D

toonces3 · « **Reply #107 on:** July 02, 2007, 11:23:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Shifty
LOL you two are destined to become great BBS antagonist, like Krusty, and Bohdi, in General Discussion, or Ripsnort and RPM in the O Club, or Storch and everybody everywhere.

The problem, Shifty, is that Dedalos is a player whose skill I really admire. He's run enough circles around me in enough planes...it's how I want to learn to fly.

But I'm not naming names LOL.

I tried the La-7 and I didn't care for it at all.

I love the FW190D9, and I was all proud of myself for not flying a dweeb plane, and then I found out that the D9 is a dweeb plane too. Damn. But, in my opinion, alot, or most fights end up eventually on the deck turning, and the Spit does so well down there. The only downside that I've found to the Spit 16 is that it isn't that fast. It's not bad, but if you go down and piss of a P51 or La7 or Typhoon, or whatever, you're not going to be able to run home to mama, you're gonna have to fight your way back out.

I also have trouble running out of ammo, but I RTB as soon as the cannons are gone. I can't shoot buffs down in a Spit for crap. If I'm buff hunting, the 190G14 with gondolas is the bombdiggity.

Shifty · « **Reply #108 on:** July 02, 2007, 11:33:11 AM »

I took the advice of a guy earlier this month and went buff hunting in the yak 9T. Big fun, give it a try!

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #109 on:** July 02, 2007, 12:01:49 PM »

there are no lazy planes, just lazy pilots.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #110 on:** July 02, 2007, 12:28:33 PM »

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Originally posted by VansCrew1
it keeps up with a with almost anything.And it out dives a P51 or a P47..

Most Spitfire will shed their wings if they try to dive with a P-47 or P-51.

ack-ack

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #111 on:** July 02, 2007, 12:30:43 PM »

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Originally posted by toonces3
something else I've been whining about is my gunnery.

It sucks, as you've noticed.

I've given myself the nickname 'Mr. Assist' because I am the master of pinging planes, but rarely can I keep the pipper on there long enough to get the kill.

I can't tell you how many times a night I get a guy totally slotted, but can't close the deal because I simply can't land enough hits. The cannon in the spit is definately nice because I don't have to land alot of hits to get a kill.

At any rate, I'm not in any way putting down the Jug or Pony. And I'm definately not the expert in any of the planes with a whopping 3-4 weeks behind me. I do think, however, that the spit is just easier to fly. Every time I get in it, I always think, "wow, I can actually move around in this thing!"

I haven't even tried the La-7 yet. I'm afraid I'll love it so much that I give up on all of the more challenging planes altogether!

Sounds like you're leading with tracers rather than with the gunsight. Turn off your tracers and force yourself to learn how to lead with the gunsight. In about a week, you'll see your hit% improve.

ack-ack

dedalos · « **Reply #112 on:** July 02, 2007, 12:33:46 PM »

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Originally posted by toonces3
The problem, Shifty, is that Dedalos is a player whose skill I really admire.

Why is that a problem?

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I love the FW190D9, and I was all proud of myself for not flying a dweeb plane, and then I found out that the D9 is a dweeb plane too.
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There are no dweeb rides. You can fly it like a dweeb if you chose to but it is not the planes fault. (I did not mean you personally. I guess I should have said, one can fly it like a dweeb)

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Damn. But, in my opinion, alot, or most fights end up eventually on the deck turning, and the Spit does so well down there. [/B]

Yes and no. You have to think 3D. You pull the stick vs a Spit you will lose; but that would be the pilots fault. Think up. Ki84 and 109s should be an even mach for the spits. Just don't fly them like a spit. With the exception of the 16, the Ki84 and most 109s should just have fun with a low spit. Especially the Ki.

Get them slow, then use the vertical. If you have any kind of speed advantage, there is nothing the spit can do other than hope you mess up.

scottydawg · « **Reply #113 on:** July 02, 2007, 12:35:05 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Sounds like convergence and perhaps some stick scaling would be your best bets.

Yeah, the Spits are good airplanes, and well suited to the average MA low alt fight, but you wouldn't call people lazy for flying Jugs or the other high alt monsters up high, instead of spits and La-7s. Some planes excel at something or other across the spectrum of alts, ranges, and uses. The chaotic MA furballs tend to lend themselves to turny planes with cannons, so flying those types of planes in those types of fight simply makes sense.

Well said, hubs. The cognitive dissonance is making me see double though.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #114 on:** July 02, 2007, 12:40:05 PM »

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Originally posted by halcyon
The AoA (Angle of Attack) {a.k.a G-Force} is not even close to being accurately modeled in this game.
The Spit 16 in Aces High can pull maneuvers that are physically not possible in the real world.

By all means, please show documented evidence to support your claims on how the AoA, G-forces and the Spitifire XVI are incorrectly modeled.

ack-ack

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #115 on:** July 02, 2007, 12:42:14 PM »

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Originally posted by halcyon
How do you know the people that talk about the Spit16 in this thread have never flown the plane?
Don't assume.

Because we know you haven't, unless your VOSS but you'd have flown the P-51D and not the Spitfire XVI.

But I would like to know, ever been bitten by a red scorpion?

ack-ack

dedalos · « **Reply #116 on:** July 02, 2007, 12:43:31 PM »

Hey toonces,

Learn first, then try to chalenge yourself. I did not realize you had only been playing for a few weeks. If you try to chalenge yourself now you will just get frustrated. Learn in an easyer plane like the Spit9, NIKI, or the LA7 and then try to chalenge yourself. Just remember they are not unbeatable. They can only help you get out of troble so you could maximize your fighting time. Niki will give you ammo, the spit turning when low and slow, and the lala e for efighting. Don't use them for hoing and running cause you will not learn. You will land kills though

scottydawg · « **Reply #117 on:** July 02, 2007, 12:48:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Because we know you haven't, unless your VOSS but you'd have flown the P-51D and not the Spitfire XVI.

But I would like to know, ever been bitten by a red scorpion?

ack-ack

I would like to respectfully submit the "VOSS LAW" as a corollary of Godwin's Law.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #118 on:** July 02, 2007, 01:35:15 PM »

scotty you are hearby banned from posting for no less than 6 hour, this ban being called for by the use of too many clever words in the same thread.

batfink
Enforcement Officer of the Vocab Police

Squire · « **Reply #119 on:** July 02, 2007, 01:47:02 PM »

"By all means, please show documented evidence to support your claims on how the AoA, G-forces and the Spitfire XVI are incorrectly modeled."

Exactly, we keep asking for a FILM to support these whines, but nobody ever bellies up to the bar with any evidence. Just more empty talk.

Of course HTC just has it all wrong, its a conspiracy, they didnt make a mistake and just plain got shot down? No.

Pffft.

Is it over used? sure, so is the N1K2 and the LA-7, and the Hurricane II, and the F4U-1C, but that has nothing to do with the modelling being correct, or not.