Author Topic: Question for HT about Tanks (Read 907 times)

Seagoon · « **on:** May 18, 2007, 11:57:37 AM »

Dear HT,

With a view towards TOD, I'm wondering about the difficulty of producing different models of existing AH2 tanks.

For instance, now that we have the Sherman Firefly (VC) in the game, how difficult would it be to also introduce the M4A1 variant of the Sherman so we would have an allied tank from 1942 as well as an allied tank from 1944?

The same question applies to the Panzer IV, is it possible to "remodel" (edit) it so that we could have the D model from 1939?

I guess what I'm asking is do you have to start from scratch when designing a vehicle or can you simply edit the existing vehicle? As far as I know, the only difference between the Firefly and the standard M4A4 is the 17 PDR gun. Replace that with a 75mm and you'd have another earlier and more common tank for TOD scenarios wouldn't you?

Thanks in advance!

- SEAGOON

Bruv119 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2007, 12:23:23 PM »

You assume tanks will be in TOD?

I thought it was going to be based on missions into Europe.

E25280 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 18, 2007, 01:21:42 PM »

Relavant quote from Pyro:

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To the question of why no other Sherman variants in this version. The reason is simply a lack of time. We had to shoehorn the Firefly just to get it in. I'm trying to work it out to go back and make a single pass to add a number of missing vehicle variants to the game. We could add a lot of vehicles really quick that way.

From this thread.

It got me excited!

Nilsen · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2007, 01:35:41 PM »

Would be neat if you could choose different turrets for the pz IV, sherman and whatnot as long as nothing else was upgraded in real life just like you can change gun packages in excisting planes.
What comes to mind first is what Seagoon may be thinking about... the short barreled 75mm that was on earlyer versions. Another ex would be the wirblewind turret for the ostwind.

Id also like to see even more variation of guns and ord on planes we have now.

On history channel yesterday i saw warfootage of what must have been Typhoons that had 4 bombs under the wings and not just 2 like we have now. I could ofcoruse not tell if it was 4x500lbs or if it was a different sized bombs but i would really like that.

Kev367th · « **Reply #4 on:** May 19, 2007, 03:23:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Would be neat if you could choose different turrets for the pz IV, sherman and whatnot as long as nothing else was upgraded in real life just like you can change gun packages in excisting planes.
What comes to mind first is what Seagoon may be thinking about... the short barreled 75mm that was on earlyer versions. Another ex would be the wirblewind turret for the ostwind.

Id also like to see even more variation of guns and ord on planes we have now.

On history channel yesterday i saw warfootage of what must have been Typhoons that had 4 bombs under the wings and not just 2 like we have now. I could ofcoruse not tell if it was 4x500lbs or if it was a different sized bombs but i would really like that.

Tiffies only had 2 hardpoints, so I'm guessing what you seen weren't Typhoons.

Laurie · « **Reply #5 on:** May 19, 2007, 03:27:18 AM »

talking of the typie and it's ord,

give me my 60lb typhhon GV busting rockets it really had!

i can't believe our typihe's rocks are so inneffective in AH when the tyhoon was designd to be a tankbustr!

plllleeeeeease:D

Lusche · « **Reply #6 on:** May 19, 2007, 03:29:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Laurie
talking of the typie and it's ord,

give me my 60lb typhhon GV busting rockets it really had!

i can't believe our typihe's rocks are so inneffective in AH when the tyhoon was designd to be a tankbustr!

plllleeeeeease:D

The Typhoon wasn't designed to be a tankbuster.

Nilsen · « **Reply #7 on:** May 19, 2007, 03:51:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Tiffies only had 2 hardpoints, so I'm guessing what you seen weren't Typhoons.

i saw it again

It was a typhoon, and they did have 2 bombs under each wing really close together like the F8 in AH.

Kev367th · « **Reply #8 on:** May 19, 2007, 04:15:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Lusche
The Typhoon wasn't designed to be a tankbuster.

Originally no, it was originally designed as a fighter.

After trials it was swapped to the ground attack role and was very effective.

Bombphoons and Rocketphoons (with 60lb rockets) were very effective in killing tanks.

One squadron commander didn't ask them how they did on a return from a mission, but how many tanks they killed.

A rough guide -
Mossies with the same rockets were reckoned to have the same punch as a light cruiser.

frank3 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 19, 2007, 04:20:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Laurie
talking of the typie and it's ord,

give me my 60lb typhhon GV busting rockets it really had!

i can't believe our typihe's rocks are so inneffective in AH when the tyhoon was designd to be a tankbustr!

plllleeeeeease:D

In real life, it was much harder to actually hit a gv (especially a moving one) with rockets. They had alot of deficiency.
The best effect of the rockets wasn't the destroying part, but the fact the impacted heavily on enemy morale (tank crews have been seen ditching their ride after/before/during rocket attacks)

In any case, the Typhoon in AH is ALOT more effective than real life

But we should get back on topic...

Laurie · « **Reply #10 on:** May 19, 2007, 05:58:12 AM »

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Originally posted by frank3
In real life, it was much harder to actually hit a gv (especially a moving one) with rockets. They had alot of deficiency.
The best effect of the rockets wasn't the destroying part, but the fact the impacted heavily on enemy morale (tank crews have been seen ditching their ride after/before/during rocket attacks)

In any case, the Typhoon in AH is ALOT more effective than real life

But we should get back on topic...

i'm pretty sure the rockets arent 60lb'ers

Nilsen · « **Reply #11 on:** May 19, 2007, 06:05:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Laurie
i'm pretty sure the rockets arent 60lb'ers

from wikipedia:

"The Typhoon would however become much more famous armed with four "60 lb" RP-3 rockets under each wing—the so-called "Rocketphoons."

and from: http://www.aero-web.org/history/wwii/d-day/8.htm

"The British, on the other hand, preferred rockets, the Typhoon carrying eight having 60-lb armor-piercing warheads"

Bruv119 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 19, 2007, 08:47:52 AM »

yea typhoon needs sexier rockets maybe a perked loadout

Fulmar · « **Reply #13 on:** May 19, 2007, 11:24:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
After trials it was swapped to the ground attack role and was very effective.

"After further testing in Aces High 2, the Typhoon was again diverted back to a fighter and now reclassified as the choice for alt monkeys who dont have perks for the Tempest."

Laurie · « **Reply #14 on:** May 19, 2007, 02:07:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Laurie
i'm pretty sure the rockets arent 60lb'ers

i meant this as in our AH ones arent 60lb'ers and the real life ones were,