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Offline Odee

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« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2007, 10:58:00 AM »
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I own two swords..  well... one is just a 30" bayonet circa 1700's...  The other is a small cutlass with a basket hilt from the civil war era.

I would dispute your claim that anyone can "point and shoot" a gun effectively.   I would have you handle some of the firearms I have and not walk away with a big grin.   the heft of a 44 mag revolver is very confidence inspiring.

To know that you can draw and point shoot at close range or hit a 5 gallon bucket out to 300 yards or so is confidence inspiring.   You can also walk around with one and not make a spectacle of yourself.

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3. Cool... Problem with "draw and point shooting" is that if the guy is 10 to 20 feet away with a knife, and you're holstered, he will be on you before you get off the first shot... Moot point after the draw and even if you hit him, since he got to you at the least, as fast as you pulled down.

This is presuming both antagonists are competent in their weapon of choice.

2. I can point shoot a pistol, and revolver pretty good, out to about 25 yards, and aimed shot danged good, out to about 125 yards...  with just iron sights.   Now I want to meet the guy or gal that point shoots a 44 out to 300 yards (900 feet?!?) and hits a 5 gallon bucket so they show me the secret of their extraordinary success.  

1. We share weapon tastes.  wakasashi 25" blade... Union NCO Sword... Official Issue Ghurka knife...  Several Gerber's including the Mk1 and Mk2 I carried through the jungles... Couple of Hibben's and a drawer full of Swiss Army's

Some of my buddies handiwork; 151 LAYERS of motorcycle chain to make this Damascus blade.


Irish Sword w/wire wrapped handle


The Katana, and yes, he made the sheath too.


Now can anyone name this item, and describe its use?
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« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2007, 11:04:06 AM »
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So, what should I ask specifically about the tang?


Accept nothing but the original.


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« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2007, 11:55:43 AM »
We've had our share of gun control debates, this is the perfect chance for a a sword control debate :)

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The sale of imitation samurai swords could be banned by the end of the year, the Home Office announced today.

Importing or hiring the weapons could also be made illegal following a string of samurai sword attacks in recent years.

Breaching the ban, which is targeted at cheap imitation samurai swords rather than the more expensive genuine collectors' items made by licensed swordsmiths in Japan, would result in up to six months in jail and a £5,000 fine.
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Collectors and martial arts enthusiasts owning or using genuine samurai swords would be exepmt from the ban

According to Home Office estimates, there have been at least 80 serious crimes involving the swords in England and Wales over the last four years.

One MP recently warned that they were being used by criminal gangs as the preferred weapon of choice after guns.

Last month, amphetamine addict Hugh Penrose was jailed for at least 19 years for hacking a 21-year-old woman with a samurai sword and then deliberately running her over.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/05/nsamurai105.xml


Buy them while you can Biggles. They only talk about banning thiose cheap "Samurai Night Specials" today, but that English Broadsword will be on the chopping block tomorrow :)

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« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2007, 12:03:21 PM »
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We've had our share of gun control debates, this is the perfect chance for a a sword control debate :)



Buy them while you can Biggles. They only talk about banning thiose cheap "Samurai Night Specials" today, but that English Broadsword will be on the chopping block tomorrow :)

Charon



yeah, it's rediculous here. in fairness, even my katana, which wasn't massively pricey should be allowed. they want to ban the cheap easily attainable stainless steel swords, but thankfully it's only been suggested and not definite.

totally rediculous the laws here though. a few years ago this country was the world leader in human rights and freedom. now it's becoming a PC big brother society. 'bout time someone stood up against the fat pompous idiots sitting on their arse all day earning over $100,000 a year
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« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2007, 12:26:42 PM »
Yeah, I heard UK was even having knives be registered like we do firearms in the USA.  :O


Now can anyone name this item, and describe its use?
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« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2007, 12:43:08 PM »
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Now can anyone name this item, and describe its use?
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/

Some sort of harpoon and handle for armor?  I can see a few flaws in this idea, though.
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« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2007, 01:12:21 PM »
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Now can anyone name this item, and describe its use?


Looks similar to whatever this guy thinks he's using..



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« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2007, 01:59:18 PM »
They call it a "Bull Stay"...  Looped end goes over a fence or other post.





...and hooked end goes where cow patties come from. :O



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Rumor has it that there are some married folks using similar devices for keeping their mates from going astray. :cry :furious :O
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« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2007, 02:54:55 PM »
Some of my buddies handiwork; 151 LAYERS of motorcycle chain to make this Damascus blade.


very beautiful work here
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« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2007, 03:26:11 PM »
odee..  couple of points..  first, you are describing a scenario where a person with a concealed carry is attacked unawares by a knife weilder from 20 feet away....

If someone attacks you with no prior clue with any weapon..  you will be hurt.  If the gun owner attacked someone that had a knife.. the gun weilder would put shots or more into the knife weilder before he even knew someone meant him harm much less drew his knife...  

Form the time a fast draw artist decides to draw and the time the gun goes off is measured in hundreths of a second...  all moot stuff tho...  

Also.. I never said that it was possible to point shoot a 5 gallon bucket at 300 yards or more.. only that you could hit one at that range.   I see no problem at all hitting a swordsman at ranges from 20' out to hundreds of yards before he could do anything...  If he was unaware... I could put 6 in him at 5' before he even remembered he had a weapon.

your scenario means nothing... if a gun toter and a knife toter were 20' apart and both went to kill the other at the same time..... too bad for the former knife toter..

The only way the knife guy wins is if he attacks someone who isn't expecting to be attacked... and even then... "win" may not be the word to use... he may stab before he gets shot but he will likely get shot and... shot more than once.

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« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2007, 03:33:54 PM »
Lazs,

What if you ever got caught without your sidearm?  I know, bad preparation, but what if?

Wouldn't it make sense in the name of preparedness to also be well versed in knives, improvised weapons and some hand to hand techniques.  A knife or a gun can often give someone overconfidence.  It's a good weakness to exploit.
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« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2007, 07:19:00 PM »
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They call it a "Bull Stay"...  


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Brings back memories. Our Ag teacher had quite a lot of fun out of us when we were Greenhands with that one. :aok
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« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2007, 07:35:40 PM »
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They call it a "Bull Stay"...


what kind of a sicko freak thought up such a martial arts weapon ...  thats crazy.  and it looks like it'd be a pain in the prettythang to deploy that thing.   a bullet btw the eyes would be an easier, cleaner kill.  even hand to hand dirty fighting tactics like thumbs in the eyes, or a throat punch would be preferable to that thing.  

besides, it doesn't look like the easiest thing to carry around, and seems like you'd be answering questions all the time, like - "hey mister, what's that thing for?"
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« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2007, 09:04:50 PM »
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Lazs,

What if you ever got caught without your sidearm?  I know, bad preparation, but what if?

Wouldn't it make sense in the name of preparedness to also be well versed in knives, improvised weapons and some hand to hand techniques.  A knife or a gun can often give someone overconfidence.  It's a good weakness to exploit.


I carry a hand grenade specifically for that purpose.  It's strapped to my chest.


If **** goes sour real quick, I just pull the pin.  He might get me, but I'll be damned sure I'll be getting him.
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« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2007, 09:29:29 PM »
hey, in the magnificent seven i saw james colbern win with a knife in a fast draw knife vs gun, so it must be true.:D
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