Author Topic: Swords (Read 2616 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #75 on:** May 22, 2007, 09:35:51 PM »

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Originally posted by 68Hawk

Wouldn't it make sense in the name of preparedness to also be well versed in knives, improvised weapons and some hand to hand techniques.

you can get that training in the US Marines, problem is , you may be required to use that training in real life.

USMC.

lazs2 · « **Reply #76 on:** May 23, 2007, 08:48:31 AM »

68...LOL.. well gee... I guess if I was caught without a firearm I would be at the mercy of all you guys who carry a sword on a regular basis.

I may not be fancy about it but I have been in a few dozen bar fights back in the day and I did box sportsman for a while. I think that I can read what is going on in the heads of the bad guys enough to at least avoid it. If nothing else.. I am not adverse to hurting people before they get a chance to hurt me. It may not even seem fair to you.

Knowing what I do about firearms and the people who are around em... I figure I have the best chance of finding where to get one.... admitedly... unlike you... I wouldn't know where to look to get a sword. I can make a gun. I can get any gun there is if I put my mind to it. I don't care what gun I have... if I need something better in some apocolyptic situation where everyone is going around wearing a frigging sword like their fantasy life.... I use whatever I have to get whatever I think I need.

It is not complex and....

obtaining a sword will be pretty far down on my list of "things to do in the apocolypse/rise of the zombies."

lazs

Benny Moore · « **Reply #77 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:00:02 AM »

I'm seriously interested in swords - much more so than all but a handful of people here - but this thread has become rather messy. If anyone is very serious about swords (and isn't a raging Japanophile) feel free to message me and we'll have a private conversation.

Charge · « **Reply #78 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:10:50 AM »

Beautiful helmet:

http://www.museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/greek/greek_weapons_and_armor/armor/crested_hoplite_helm.aspx

Is this a homo-helmet? many of the ancient greek warriors shagged each other or young boys...

-C+

PS. This is probably blasphemy but I really like the looks of some of those LOTR swords...

Benny Moore · « **Reply #79 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:21:48 AM »

No, this is a homo-helmet. Darth Vader meets the Easter Island heads, with some of Aunt Agatha's knitting thrown in for extra, ah, gay color.
http://www.bonesandblades.co.uk/catalog/images/S5560.jpg

Charge, the homosexuality allegations have always been the only factor to keep the Corinthian helm from being my favorite helm in history. Instead, the Gjermundbu helm wins that place. There's no impunging the manliness of the Vikings! Jaarr!
http://www.bloodbeak.com/gjerm2.jpg

Odee · « **Reply #80 on:** May 23, 2007, 09:36:39 AM »

Lazs sez: obtaining a sword will be pretty far down on my list of "things to do in the apocolypse/rise of the zombies."

Well, if in that type scenario, I imagine the knife/sword is a tad bit quieter when reconoiter turns to encounter you would rather not advertise with a big BADA-BOOM! The soft hiss of air escaping past your razor edged weapon is subtle, and eeriely satisfying. *gag-gack-barf-groooossssss!*

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Originally posted by lazs2
odee.. couple of points.. first, you are describing a scenario where a person with a concealed carry is attacked unawares by a knife weilder from 20 feet away....

...Form the time a fast draw artist decides to draw and the time the gun goes off is measured in hundreths of a second... all moot stuff tho...
lazs

No sir... I am describing open carry police training, hand on weapon, facing a perp armed with a knife concealed behind his back... (hands not showing)

Scenario: Officer confronts suspect and orders to show hands. Suspect defies officer in threatening body language. Officer prepares to go either "hands on" or "Weapon hot" depending on how the suspect reacts next.

There's a link to the video around here somewhere, if I can dig it up.

Fast Draw Artist... Now I wonder what percentile of conceal carry permit holders are that? Regardless, in this video from time of attack/draw to end is about 1.5 to 3 seconds, and the average m00k out there just cannot cope that fast. People like you and I can, but that's because we dedicated a serious ammount of time to training and keeping an edge (pun intended) on our skills.

The only "WIN" in this scenario is if the attacker does not cut you at all... Period. A sad testament are the headstones of people that killed their killers don't you think?

indy007 · « **Reply #81 on:** May 23, 2007, 10:14:12 AM »

This whole knife vs gun thing is just... funny.

Okay, so a guy can cover 20 feet fast and stab a stationary target before it can draw down on him...

Hmmm... does it not occur to anybody to just step backwards and make space? There's 8 directions you can go. 3 of them put you closer, 5 of them create space. Moving straight back at half their speed doubles their closure time. If you freeze like a deer in headlights, it doesn't matter what you have. If you think there's a situation where a guy is going to come after you with a knife, and there's absolutely no room to maneuver, you should stop hanging out in dark alleys and/or get out of prison.

The only time a knife beats a gun is in an ambush situation, which nothing is going to stop, short of developing a spidey-sense or a wearing a full suit of DragonScale 24/7.

If you think you're gonna get your eye-gouge going on in a fight... please, please, please, go to a legit gym and start training striking & grappling. It's really for your own good.

68Hawk · « **Reply #82 on:** May 23, 2007, 10:43:48 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
68...LOL.. well gee... I guess if I was caught without a firearm I would be at the mercy of all you guys who carry a sword on a regular basis.

lazs

That example was more directed at someone jumping you with a knife or improvised weapon. Two sticks can really screw someone up. I carry a mechanical pencil on airplanes as a last line of defense. (hell I carry it anyway, might need to write something)

All we're saying Lazs is that older weapons that may have lost their martial predominance are still entirely valid for study. You seem to take every discussion of swords or other weapons and turn it into a thread of 'guns trump knives'. I don't think anyone here is disagreeing with you except for artistic or aesthetic value.

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(and isn't a raging Japanophile)

Was this directed at me Benny?

ink · « **Reply #83 on:** May 23, 2007, 11:57:34 AM »

guns, are obviously easier cuz you don't have to step up, any monkey can pull a trigger, guns allow all to be equal, im not saying just cuz ya got a gun,you can shoot straight, anyone who has fired a gun knows it aint that easy, to hit your target without practice.
my point is if you bring a sword to a gun fight your an idiot,but swords and knives do have there place, and what if you run out of bullits? a sword would be nice to have.

Benny Moore
the 512 layer damascus viking sword is truly beautiful and at around $300 you cant beat the price, the pommel and guard are made of nickle damascus. truly beautiful.

Odee · « **Reply #84 on:** May 23, 2007, 12:17:29 PM »

Like Hawk, above... I too always carry an ILW (Improvised Lethal Weapon). I might even wager that the vast majority of people do the same... but that only a small minority of them realizes they are always armed, if not delerious. ...uhm dangerous. You'd be amazed at how dangerous a $0.99 BIC Round Medium pen can be. By the way, that's those pens you always lose the caps to.

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Originally posted by indy007
This whole knife vs gun thing is just... funny.

Okay, so a guy can cover 20 feet fast and stab a stationary target before it can draw down on him...

Hmmm... does it not occur to anybody to just step backwards and make space? ...

I never said anything about the shooter being a stationary target. natural instinct would be to move away from the threat.

Didn't think the obvious need pointing out to anyone but a martial artist.

indy007 · « **Reply #85 on:** May 23, 2007, 12:52:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Odee
I never said anything about the shooter being a stationary target. natural instinct would be to move away from the threat.

Didn't think the obvious need pointing out to anyone but a martial artist.

However, people post on here how they'll be all over you... and quickdraw skills... and joe shmoe's draw skills... time it takes to cover the distance... so it's pretty obvious some here think you're either fighting in a closet, or "run away" simply doesn't occur to them.

lazs2 · « **Reply #86 on:** May 23, 2007, 02:46:04 PM »

you are being silly odee.. the agressive person always does better against someone who does not expect it. Police are not a good example because they are so trained to not shoot. they are trained to not even draw the weapon unless the threat is obvious.

Any weapon is better than no weapon. agressiveness is the best weapon and often trumps others. the willingness to hurt or kill is not in everyone either.. unless you have done so and felt fine with it I don't think you know.

All the practice with a gun or a knife or (LOL) a sword will be meaningless if you hesitate against someone who wishes to maim or kill you.

If I had a gun behind my back I could turn it on you and put 6 or more rounds into you before you even thought there was a threat much less pull a knife.

It takes every bit as long to get a knife into operation as it does a firearm.

silly stuff. If you know there is a threat and you will be attacked you are always better off with the best weapon... that would be a firearm.

as for running out of bullets...

Like I said.. by the time I run out of bullets there will be plenty of knives or swords laying around for me to pick up if I wish.

lazs

Major Biggles · « **Reply #87 on:** May 23, 2007, 02:58:38 PM »

the point of this thread was not a gun vs sword/knife debate. i think we all know who would win...

the point was finding people with an interest or even a collection. thanks to those who kept this in mind, it's been an interesting thread without all the garbage lying about the place.

hawk, it think benny was referring to ink's somewhat fantastic view of the katana, like many others who believe all the myths about japanese swords being the best swords in the world, and being able to cut through a foot of steel etc...

indy007 · « **Reply #88 on:** May 23, 2007, 03:14:37 PM »

Well in that case, I've got practice foils & epee. No "real" sword except for a rapier that hangs up with my ren faire costume. It's not even particularly spiffy looking, but it goes with the outfit. I'm not horrible at fencing, but I'm not exactly a master either.

I am good friends with a dealer though. iirc, he should be off in Florida at a paintball game until middle of next week, but if anybody wants, I can dig up his contact info. The markup on the decorative crap makes me wonder why the hell I deal in car parts. If you want his info, just email me, indy007@gmail.com. This is for decorative swords & what-nots, not competition equipment.

Estes · « **Reply #89 on:** May 23, 2007, 03:32:39 PM »

don't forget about that blade toting guy in Indiana Jones.

-edit- on second thought, I don't remember 100% if the guy had a blade. -edit-

Besides a pocket knife, this is the extent that I have. lol

A link instead of photo as I have it hosted and am too lazy to resize at this particular point. http://pages.suddenlink.net/kjetil/new%20002.jpg