Author Topic: Eric Hartmann and the G14 (Read 3556 times)

Fencer51 · « **on:** May 24, 2007, 06:07:37 PM »

Did Hartmann have a G-14 with the black pedal nose scheme?

VansCrew1 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 24, 2007, 06:14:01 PM »

109 sucks

RULES!!

Geary420 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 24, 2007, 06:19:18 PM »

Its super sexy, but I don't think ive ever seen an actuall pic of it, just profiles and artwork.

EDIT - What is that hideous thing above? Is that the P39?

Xasthur · « **Reply #3 on:** May 24, 2007, 08:52:38 PM »

^ Oooo... nice. That might replace the JG 53 winter skin I use now.....

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Originally posted by VansCrew1
109 sucks

RULES!!

Pfft, come here and say that.

Treize69 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 24, 2007, 09:58:10 PM »

I always thought his tulip-petaled Gustav was a G6, that his only petaled G14 was the white one.

killnu · « **Reply #5 on:** May 24, 2007, 11:07:47 PM »

From what I have seen/read...he was only in JG53 a short time and only flew G14 while with them. only other plane I have seen of his are G6's. Although, talking with Karaya other day online...he mentioned G2s and G6s. Maybe ask him about it?!:( Sorry not more help.

Treize69 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 25, 2007, 02:50:18 AM »

In combat he flew every G from the 2 onward, and I think the K. Trained on the E and F.

I don't have a copy handy, but an old edition of "The Blond Knight of Germany" I used to have listed all the subtypes of the 109 he flew in one of the appendices, along with what bases he flew out of and when he flew out of them (when known).

Fencer51 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 25, 2007, 05:38:40 AM »

Geary, thats the one I was asking about.

Thanks Treize, I am unable to find definative proof of a G14 like the profile above. What I mostly find is that the G6 he flew painted like that was essentially a G14 with all the modifications/upgrades.

I will dig out my copy of Blond Knight and look there.

Vans..

Killinu, thanks bud.

killnu · « **Reply #8 on:** May 25, 2007, 05:51:13 AM »

He did not fly the K. There was speculation of that....but no proof.

Xargos · « **Reply #9 on:** May 25, 2007, 07:09:12 AM »

He was transfered to a Me 262 at the end of the war, if my memory serves me right.

hammer · « **Reply #10 on:** May 25, 2007, 07:28:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
He was transfered to a Me 262 at the end of the war, if my memory serves me right.

No, he stayed in 109s.

Regards,

Hammer

Xasthur · « **Reply #11 on:** May 25, 2007, 10:24:44 AM »

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Originally posted by hammer
No, he stayed in 109s.

Regards,

Hammer

Indeed, his refusal to leave JG 52 was what landed him in Russian captivity at the war's end, if i'm not mistaken.

Treize69 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 25, 2007, 11:06:47 AM »

Galland invited him to join Jv44 but refused, he didn't want to "abandon" his comrades in Jg52.

He had to wait until he commanded an F-86 squadron to get to experience jet flying.

VansCrew1 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 25, 2007, 07:10:31 PM »

109 sucks...

RULES

Fencer51 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 25, 2007, 07:14:51 PM »

Osprey Aviation Elite Units #15
"Jagdgeschwader 52 - The Experten" by John Weal

It has a cover painting, which I am not going to post here, that shows him purportedly in a G14 on his final flight.

Text says:

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There is still a great deal of controversy about both the actual aircraft Erich Hartmann was flying on this mission, and the markings it carried. At least one official document states quite categorically that JG52 was equipped entirely with the Bf-109G-14 (of various models) and was earmarked for conversion to K-4s 'as soon as logistical situation permits'. But the Geschwader is known to have operated a mix of G-14s and G-10s and Hartmann himself spoke of flying both variants.