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« Reply #165 on: September 20, 2007, 04:29:42 PM »
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I have to say I'm a Boyington fan.

Did he exaggerate his record? Probably, but even the more conservative of estimates place him fairly high among America's aces. For all his faults, no one can say that Boyington wasn't an excellent pilot and fighter.

I'm not saying anyone should make a role model of him, as "Colorful" doesn't begin to describe him, but I think that's part of what makes him such an interesting character.


My great uncle flew with Boyington during his days as the ultimate Marine pilot.  From what I had asked and he divulged he was a good pilot.  He survived a war that many didnt.  He survived flying a P-40 against the Japenese Airforce.  Now that is an accomplishment.  He was a drinker, brawler, and bad boy who knew how to work the military system.  He ws a decent PR man.  Was he the best in the Elite.  NO.  but who cares.  

My grandfather survived the war with aerial kills, and many ground kills.  He helped cripple the movement of supplies throught out Germany and Italy by logging more than 20 train kills and several ground plane kills. He was shot down 3 times.     I salute all allied pilots in there campaign.  I will not salute Axis pilots due to their involvement in a struggle to support Facism.  Those pilots above were good but on the wrong side.
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« Reply #166 on: September 20, 2007, 05:04:47 PM »


Francis Gabreski top Jug Ace!!! I usually fly Jugs. Who says H2H pilots only fly Spit16s, Tempests and La7s.
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« Reply #167 on: September 20, 2007, 05:48:27 PM »
wow i forgot i even started this post.
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« Reply #168 on: September 20, 2007, 06:19:49 PM »
Richard I. Bong 40 kills
Thomas McGuire 38 kills
Charles MacDonald 27 kills
Gerald R. Johnson 22 kills
Neel Kearby 22 kills
Jay T. Robbins 22 kills
Robert Westbrook 20 kills
Thomas J. Lynch 20 kills
Bill Harris 16 kills
Edward "Porky" Cragg 15 kills
Cyril F. Homer 15 kills
Daniel T. Roberts Jr. 14 kills
Cotesworth B. Head Jr. 12 kills
Kenneth G. Ladd 12 kills
James A. Watkins 12 kills
Michael Brezas 12 kills
William J. Sloan 12 kills
William Leverette 12 kills
Francis J. Lent 11 kills
John S. Loisel 11 kills
John W. Mitchell 11 kills
Murray "Jim" Shubin 11 kills
Cornelius Smith 11 kills
Ken Sparks 11 kills
William Giroux 10 kills
Paul Stanch 10 kills
Elliot Summer 10 kills
Fredric Champlin 9 kills
Jack Ilfrey 7.5 kills
Rex Barber 5 kills
Robin Olds 5 kills

Sorry for the list but it's not just one "ace" I admire, there's a lot of them I admire.  I'm sure it doesn't take a genius to figure out what plane they flew.  I know I also left many names off the list, those are just the ones that come to mind.


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« Reply #169 on: September 20, 2007, 08:35:50 PM »
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I'm sure it doesn't take a genius to figure out what plane they flew.  

Well, Jerry Johnson and Neel Kearby flew 47s, of course.  I wondered how come you left Gabreski and Robert Johnson out?

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« Reply #170 on: September 20, 2007, 09:18:17 PM »
The driver of Ding Hao should surely be mentioned.

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« Reply #171 on: September 20, 2007, 09:32:20 PM »
Douglas Bader- "Reach for the Sky" is a great read.

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« Reply #172 on: September 20, 2007, 09:33:53 PM »
I never thought about what ace I admire. The one that flies spits I guess :lol .

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« Reply #173 on: September 20, 2007, 10:18:43 PM »
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Not an ace...but Lt. Gen. James Stewart is probably one of my great heroes for his consistent sense of duty, honor, and integrity.

Had a long family tradition of military service to his county, and tried repeatedly to get into the Army Air Corps -- starting over a year before Pearl. Finally had to sneak past the weight requirement to enlist, on his 3rd try. His pay dropped from $72,000 per year to $260 per year. Despite his Hollywood fame, the only time he pulled strings was to make sure he was assigned to combat status rather than serving as a stateside B-17 pilot instructor (his initial assignment).  Contrast that with Bob Hope, whose rear area entertainment got way more attention, and who made a joke out of not enlisting -- "Hey, that's dangerous! I might get hurt! (Nothing against Bob Hope, an icon in his own right. Just meaning to contrast the choices available to Stewart.)

He served as operations officer of the 445th bomb group, and then its commander. He was moved to the new 453rd BG to help iron out some difficulties there, and later rose to be chief of staff for the entire wing. He flew 20 combat missions, in time spans that were simply the most lethal for pilots in US history: statistically speaking, in those days you shouldnt have been able to make it to the 25 mission tour goal.

He was awarded The DFC, the Croix de Guerre, and 7 air medals. He remained active in the reserves and continued to serve in executive roles in the Air Force until mandatory retirement age.

But best of all, he never capitalized on his war record. He put clauses in post war movie contracts prohibiting studios from even mentioning it. He didnt talk much about his service, and redirected attention to those who served without fame -- and those who didnt make it home.

He honestly felt he only did his duty. That's the kind of integrity and honor that's worth idolizing.

As an actor and a WWII enthusiast, he is my favorite as well.   I loved his movies, and when I found out about his service, it only made him more of a hero in my eyes!  
James Stewart!

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« Reply #174 on: September 21, 2007, 06:16:57 AM »
Can it be a WWI ace? If so, Eddie Rickenbacker.

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« Reply #175 on: September 21, 2007, 02:04:55 PM »
David McCampbell, 34 confirmed victories.  there is a story about him sending his squadron out during the mariana's turkey shoot.  while his squadron was away from the ship, the ship radar detected a large group of enemy A/C comign in.  so McCampbell and his wingman order thier fighters to be prepared.  after they finished gettign thier gear on and ran out thier planes, they arived to find thier planes still being fueled up.  he straped himself in and asked the sailor, 'is the ammo full?"  "yes, sir" relpied the sailor.  "then put the cap on the tank and get me going."

he went up that day and scored 9 aerial victories and his wingman 6, thwarting the bombers coming in to attack his carrier group.  when he arrived back at his carrier the line up was full and he was sent ot another carrier to pick up fuel.  the second one denied him, for the same reason, as did the 3rd one too.  finaly a 4th carrier permitted him to land and when he safely made it on deck and engine shut down, it was discovered he only had 10 gallons of fuel left.  talk about cutting it close!

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« Reply #176 on: September 21, 2007, 03:17:02 PM »
Without reservation or hesitation, my all time favorite WWII Ace Fighter Pilot is...
 
Senior Lieutenant Lilya Vladimirovna Litvyak, known as The White Rose of Stalingrad.
So named by the Luftwaffe pilots she flew against in combat during WWII.



Lilya's rides were the La-5, Yak-1, and Yak-1b (and people wonder why I have often been seen flying in an La-5 or La-7, and sometimes a Yak). Her first three kills were a Bf109 and two Ju-88s while flying an La-5 during the last half of September 1942.

She is credited with shooting down 12 German planes. The all-male Luftwaffe pilots she flew against were so outraged by her they planned and staged a gang-bang to end her life. They could not handle being shot down by a woman, and a Jewish woman at that.

It required all eight of the German men in Bf109s working together to finally bring her down. They knew it was her by the white lily painted on her Yak-1b; they planned the coordinated attack on her ahead of time; then specifically set out on a misson to kill her.

She was buried where she came to ground ...her grave was placed beneath the wing of her crashed Yak-1b fighter.

Lt. Litvyak had completed 168 missions, and had 3 shared victories in addition to her personal twelve. She was 22 years old when she died.

Had she been an American pilot with her service record, she would have received, if nothing else,  three Purple Hearts.

She recieved the Order of the Red Banner in 1943 and, long after her death,  she received the equivilant of the US Congressional Medal of Honor... by virtue of being posthumously conferred with the title of
Hero of the Soviet Union by Premier Mikhail Gorbachov on May 5, 1990.

A more detailed accounting of Lilya's story...

Lilya was born in Moscow in August 18, 1921. Lilya was her nickname, as her actual name was Lidiya. She was regarded by all as a "strikingly beautiful woman", which helped earn her public appreciation and, added to her success as a fighter pilot, served the propaganda ministry well.

She began her service in the all-woman 586th IAP, where she flew mostly defense missions from January to August 1942. In August she was posted to "male" squadrons because of her merits. The first was the 286th Fighter Division (IAD), then to the 437 IAP, which had recently been equipped with the new Lavochkin La-5. With this unit she got her first 2 air victories in September 13, 1943. She was sent as an attachment to the female flight of the 287 IAD, and served briefly in the 9th Guards IAP.

In the end of January, 1943, she was transferred to the 296th along with 2 other skilled women fighter pilots. On February 17, 1943, she was awarded the Order of the Red Banner. Two days later she was promoted to Junior Lieutenant and soon after to Senior Lieutenant.

On each side of her YaK-1's cockpit she painted a white lily, often confused for a rose—hence the nickname. She was so fond of flowers, that she often picked wildflowers and carried them aloft on her missions. According to her mechanic, Inna Pasportnikova, she had a postcard with yellow roses in her instrument panel. The white rose on the fuselage became famous among the Germans, who knew better than to try to dogfight the familiar YaK-1, and usually tried to make good their escape before Litvyak got too close.

Litvyak was injured 3 times during her combat tour. All three injuries occured during the Spring and Summer of 1943, a period of intense combat activity. The first time was on March 15, the same day that she shot down a Junkers Ju-88 bomber, but got hit by their escorting Me-109s (she continued to fly and bagged another Ju-88!). She managed to land at her base, and passed out and she remained in a hospital until May.

When she came back, the 296th IAP had been renamed the 73 Guards IAP for their exploits in battle. She was wounded again in combat in July 16 and 18 (the death-date of her comrade Katya Budanova). Both times she landed in German-ocuppied territory, but got back to base on foot the first time, and was rescued by another fighter pilot who landed after her the second.

 She was repeatedly successful in flying missions, although was finally killed in action over Orel, while escorting a unit of Shturmoviks returning from an attack in August 1, 1943. Because of her notoriety amongst the Germans, eight Messerschmitt Me-109's concentrated solely on Lilya's YaK-1, and it took all eight of them to finally shoot down the "White Rose of Stalingrad". Her body and aircraft were not found during the war, but a marble monument, with 12 gold stars—one for each enemy plane that she had shot down—was erected in her memory in Krasy Luch, in the Donetsk region. Litvyak had completed 168 missions, and had 3 shared victories in addition to her personal twelve. She was 22 years old when she died.

Note: Some sources claim that she died in September the 1st, and not August. As with most details from the Great Patriotic War, 46 years of censorship has made it hard to be sure about anything.

Her remains were found at last in 1979, buried under her fallen YaK-1's wing, near the village of Dmitriyevka. Ten years later her body was recovered for an official burial; and in May 5, 1990 she was posthumously conferred the title of Hero of the Soviet Union by then Premier Mikhail Gorbachov.

To view some of her pictures and a list of her kills, see... The Rose of Stalingrad

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« Reply #177 on: September 21, 2007, 04:10:54 PM »
"I would rather be shot ten thousand times before i shoot someone else and watch the life drain from there eyes.

My life is nothing "????????


Me?
I've unilaterally taken personal and
unapologetic responsibility for my own safety, and have equipped and trained
myself accordingly!"


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Only Ace I've known


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« Reply #178 on: September 21, 2007, 04:12:05 PM »
I know i posted already but i gotta say
  ERICH HARTMANN
over 1400 combat sorties    352 killz     he was the greatest.   hands down.


    now on to another point    people in here are talking about all these  massacres     what about the "trail of tears"  the american government has done its own share of massacres.

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« Reply #179 on: September 21, 2007, 05:30:51 PM »
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The driver of Ding Hao should surely be mentioned.

Best Regards.


Thank you for posting that, Old Sport!

I didn't know about Major James Howard.
Both Japanese and German kills..


What a great name for his plane... Ding Hao (The Best).

to you Major James Howard and your plane... Ding Hao

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