Author Topic: close range firing (Read 1661 times)

titanic3 · « **on:** May 27, 2007, 03:12:37 PM »

i don't get it, at long range ( 500- 800 m) i kill like that.
but at 400 m and closer, it seems i can't hit a thing without wasting a bunch of rounds.

50cals - waste about 250 rounds
20mm- wate about 30 rounds
30mm- waste about 10 rounds
303s- dun get me started

i tried converging at closest as possible but when i start firing from longrange, i miss.

any tips?

Benny Moore · « **Reply #1 on:** May 27, 2007, 04:05:08 PM »

Aim slightly above and to the side of the target. Sometimes the target is so close and your wing guns so far apart (P-47) that no convergence setting will hit him. In that case, just hit him with one set of guns. I use the U.S.A.A.F. standard of 300 yards in all airplanes, and in the P-47 I have to just use one set of guns at close range. If you don't know where one bank of guns will hit, use rudder to kick gently from side to side while firing half-second bursts with half-second pauses in between. Tat-tat-tat, tat-tat-tat. Once one of your banks finds him, hold it there.

Xasthur · « **Reply #2 on:** May 27, 2007, 04:28:19 PM »

Convergence makes a big difference up close.

If you're using wing-mounted guns and set to 650.... you'll be shooting right past them at 200 yards.

Check your gun convergence.

30mm..... set for 200 and aim just a little high. Do not fire outside 200..perhaps 300... you're wasting your time.

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 27, 2007, 04:48:11 PM »

I set set mine to 600

FX1 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 29, 2007, 01:09:50 PM »

225 for spits and all 20mm wing mounted guns.

400 for 50's

150 for 30mm nose mount

This has been pasted down to me from other vets that are long gone. It works very well for me just remember not to shoot at d400 and out.

Simaril · « **Reply #5 on:** May 29, 2007, 02:49:19 PM »

Most important thing about convergence -- set it for WHERE YOU LIKE TO GET YOUR KILLS.

It's that simple. You want your guns converged at the spot you're most likely to shoot. That turns a few pings into a violent explosion --even with 50s.

When you have convergence set way out, most weapons will have to fire upwards to allow for drop between you and the target. That means if you have convergence at 600, the bullets will be pitched ABOVE your gunsight when you shoot in close; in other words, nose has to be aimed below the target.

That makes it very hard to maneuver with the target and still get a shot off, since your plane will have to fly UNDER the target to get a shot ON the target.

I have all my convergences set for 250-275, 50s included. When I get hits in that range, the target vaporizes from the weight of metal.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #6 on:** May 29, 2007, 11:43:00 PM »

I set almost all guns to 650 and open fire at 600-400. I set .303's and Japanese cannons to 400 and open at 400-200. You've got to aim a shade high with German cannons at 650 but I've gotten used to it.

folkwufe · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2007, 01:14:00 AM »

dont zoom in (i am now a senior member)

Benny Moore · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2007, 12:26:57 PM »

Zoom in. I've been zooming in for all but my snapshots for about five years now.

WMDnow · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2007, 12:38:38 PM »

Zooming in for me is useful, but also helps me predict what he will do

BaldEagl · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2007, 05:18:50 PM »

I've got zoom toggle mapped to a button on my joystick handle.

I leave zoom set at ~50% and toggle it on as needed, mostly to line up a final shot or watch a con with seperation, and toggle it off whenever turning or when a wider field of view is needed.

Simaril · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2007, 06:06:01 PM »

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Originally posted by WMDnow
Zooming in for me is useful, but also helps me predict what he will do

Exactly! I use zoom less to shoot, and more to better see the plane's aspect -- his bank and roll angles.

EsX_Raptor · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2007, 09:52:31 PM »

I'm getting really good with taters and I find the convergence for my 30mm gun too far out at 200 (I also feel planes pretty far at that distance). I currently have it at 150 and it is devastating!

I have not shot a single bullet at more than 400yds since the K4.

EDIT: I don't like any bullets less than 13mm big, can't hit anything with them somehow.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2007, 11:53:01 PM »

there was a post on convergence mebbe 6-8 months ago. had diagrams showing the different ways you could have the bullets' paths criss-cross and had an example of a multi-distance convergence setting (one for one wing, one for both)... anyone know the post I'm thinking about?

btw, not that I'm all that great, but I've settled on a 225 yard convergence setting and rarely, if ever, open fire outside of 300 yards. (ofc, I fly 6x.50cal birds, so YMMV)

BaldEagl · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2007, 12:02:18 AM »

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Originally posted by EsX_Raptor
I'm getting really good with taters and I find the convergence for my 30mm gun too far out at 200 (I also feel planes pretty far at that distance). I currently have it at 150 and it is devastating!

I have not shot a single bullet at more than 400yds since the K4.

EDIT: I don't like any bullets less than 13mm big, can't hit anything with them somehow.

Just tonight I was on someone's 6 and took him out from 600 yards with a half second burst in a 190A8. Convergence set at 650.