Author Topic: 109F4 love/ hate relationship (Read 1870 times)

Platano · « **Reply #15 on:** May 29, 2007, 01:36:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Mak333
Haven't been killed by a 109F4 yet this tour, and don't plan to.

I haven't even died a total of 10 times this whole tour due to ANY of the Bf-109's. I don't understand why they are so hard to beat... I kill them all the time. And yet I have killed over 30 Bf-109's (any model) this whole tour.

I have 478 kills for this tour, 215 deaths. And this is kind of funny, but the plane I've died most by isn't a plane, It's been from a Ship Gunner, runner up is 17 deaths from an La-7.

I have never been a fan of the Bf-109's They have a terrible roll rate, and maneuver like crap. The only time I'm really afraid of them is when I am low and slow in bombers, otherwise they aren't a threat against fighters of GV's, but that's just me. I've never really liked the cockpit, terrible views, especially from the front. If I'm going to take up a German plane, I'm going to be taking up a Ju-88, an Fw-190A5 or Fw-190A8

0o0o No he didnT!!!

Geary420 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 29, 2007, 01:52:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Mak333
I have never been a fan of the Bf-109's They have a terrible roll rate, and maneuver like crap.

I lol'd.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #17 on:** May 29, 2007, 01:58:01 AM »

real men fly the G14 at 6,000ft with 20mm and gondies.

Furball · « **Reply #18 on:** May 29, 2007, 01:59:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Mak333
Haven't been killed by a 109F4 yet this tour, and don't plan to.

I'm sure we could arrange that to change if you would like to..

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
fixed

bahaha

Larry · « **Reply #19 on:** May 29, 2007, 02:03:30 AM »

The 109F used to be my main ride before HTC crippled it. Now the G2 and K4 are the only 109s that I fly unless Im screwing around. G14 with trip 20s it my my number two buff killer after the 110.

Larry · « **Reply #20 on:** May 29, 2007, 02:07:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Mak333
I have never been a fan of the Bf-109's They have a terrible roll rate, and maneuver like crap. The only time I'm really afraid of them is when I am low and slow in bombers, otherwise they aren't a threat against fighters of GV's, but that's just me. I've never really liked the cockpit, terrible views, especially from the front. If I'm going to take up a German plane, I'm going to be taking up a Ju-88, an Fw-190A5 or Fw-190A8

What you just said shows that you have never tryed to fly a 109. If you would take the time and learn how to fly one you would see that they are some of the best planes in the game.

DaddyAck · « **Reply #21 on:** May 29, 2007, 04:52:29 AM »

Yeah, what he said.....

Bronk · « **Reply #22 on:** May 29, 2007, 05:12:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Larry
The 109F used to be my main ride before HTC crippled it. Now the G2 and K4 are the only 109s that I fly unless Im screwing around. G14 with trip 20s it my my number two buff killer after the 110.

Crippled?????

Bronk

Xasthur · « **Reply #23 on:** May 29, 2007, 05:18:18 AM »

I took out a set of 24s in a 109 E-4 with 52 rounds the other night

I don't know what it was, but had I been in any Luftwaffe ride with 2 x 20mm cannons I doubt the same attacks would have yielded the same results... The MG FF cannons seemed unusually powerful.

I was under the impression that the MG 151 cannons were vastly superior to the MG FFs.

On one buff a High-Six shot was enough to brind down the B-24 with a very short burst. (I wasn't staying in one place longer enough to let the laser-ack get anywhere near the Emil, I suspect the wings would jump off in fear of a bullet at close proximity)

It was very odd.

Larry · « **Reply #24 on:** May 29, 2007, 05:24:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Crippled?????

They took off the gondies.

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Originally posted by Xasthur
I don't know what it was, but had I been in any Luftwaffe ride with 2 x 20mm cannons I doubt the same attacks would have yielded the same results... The MG FF cannons seemed unusually powerful.

I was under the impression that the MG 151 cannons were vastly superior to the MG FFs.

One Mg151/20s is about 2x better then the MgFF.

Xargos · « **Reply #25 on:** May 29, 2007, 05:52:12 AM »

The Bf 109 F-4/R7 had the MG 151/15 cannons under the wings, not the MG 151/20.

I really do miss the gondolas on the F-4.

Mak333 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 29, 2007, 07:02:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Larry
What you just said shows that you have never tryed to fly a 109. If you would take the time and learn how to fly one you would see that they are some of the best planes in the game.

Nah I have tried to fly one, but I think they are for the same type of "engine" buffs who will not drive any type of vehicle without a V6 or V8 engine, because they want POWER. I understand the 109 has tons of HP, and has one of the highest acceleration rates at ground level, correct? It's got big guns etc etc, but the thing flies like a tank. It doesn't have half of the nimbleness that a 190 has, and you can't roll the thing for crap. I don't know what good it does against bombers, when at high speeds... I've tried it out and it starts to stall around 500mph - is that safe to say?

Xasthur · « **Reply #27 on:** May 29, 2007, 07:07:27 AM »

Any model 109 has vastly superior stall characteristics to a 190.

More stable at lower speeds, good flaps and no snap-roll stalling.

Why did HTC remove the gondolas from the 109F?

Larry · « **Reply #28 on:** May 29, 2007, 07:19:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Mak333
Nah I have tried to fly one, but I think they are for the same type of "engine" buffs who will not drive any type of vehicle without a V6 or V8 engine, because they want POWER. I understand the 109 has tons of HP, and has one of the highest acceleration rates at ground level, correct? It's got big guns etc etc, but the thing flies like a tank. It doesn't have half of the nimbleness that a 190 has, and you can't roll the thing for crap. I don't know what good it does against bombers, when at high speeds... I've tried it out and it starts to stall around 500mph - is that safe to say?

The only thing a 109 cant out do a 190 at is roll rate. Other then that a 109 can fly circles around a 190 any day of the week. I dont know what game you're playing but none of the 109s "fly like a tank" unless you're a spit flyer and used to the "easy mode"

109E4
109F4 are the slow turners.

109G14
109K4 are the fast B&Zers but can turn if you need to.

109G2
109G6 are in the middle good speed and turn rates.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #29 on:** May 29, 2007, 08:20:04 AM »

the K4 is basically an even more stupidly uber La7, with 30mm cannon.

G14 down to the F are all sweet handling and very easy to dominate the fastest or slowest planes in the game

109E will turn fight with almost anything and win, with the right manouvers.

109s are almost too easy to fly.