109F4 love/ hate relationship

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by Xargos
The Bf 109 G-6/U6 had the MK 108 center cannon plus the MK 108 Gondolas, for a total of three 30 mm cannon.

Gimmie gimmie gimmie!!!


This would be great for molesting buffs in CT.

[Larry]

Some one was talking about wanting the 30mms wing pods on the 190A8. As They would be great for killing bombers, but agenst a fighter you might as well go level and grab a drink with they kill you.

[Mak333]

Originally posted by Platano
MaK is Dilusional

It may be true that I am!  I don't know!  I'm not saying the 109's are bad planes to fly for some people.  I just don't see a situation where I would take a 109 over anything else.

I've heard people go on about BnZing with these 109's... Well, I don't know what type of boom and zooming you are talking of, but the 51D can handle much more speed and still has great control and roll rates.  The 109 can turn, but so can the 51D if you ever have had experience flying it low and slow.  Sure the 109 can turn better than a 51D, but the spitfire, zero's and n1ks to my understanding turn better, correct?

The only thing that I see this plane really having to any advantage is the gun packages, which still don't mean much if you are a good shot.  You guys have influenced me to take up some 109's today and not only that but to analyze how they fly and fight.

Excuse me, I also am under the impression that the 109's have great acceleration correct?  So after turning with a 51D or 190, they still have a ton of energy left to catch up to the lead plane right?

I'm going to try the 109G14 today and also the F4.  Hell I think I'll try all of them.  Maybe I'm just not seeing these planes from a certain perspective, or I could be exaggerating the downsides to them a little too much.  In any case, for me a 109 has not been a threat unless I am stalling out when going vertical, or low and slow in a 190.

[Larry]

Fly a tour in the 109s and you'll see what we are talking about. one day isnt going to show you what they can do. Next time your on find eagler and ask him to show you what the 109F is about. Iv been flying 109s foe as long has Iv played AH and I can barely keep up with him. Most of the time when we fight 1v1 it ends me with oil or blood all over my canopy or one of us smaking a tree. Sure the late war 109s can B&Z but you get some onw that knows how to fly them and you can tell in the first minute he knows what hes doing. My fav. thing to do is drop in on someone vut throttle kick rudder and come in right on thier six pop them with a tater and zoom away. Even with 20mms all it takes is a snapshot and your down or hurt bad. As I said before a 109 can fly circles around a 190 any day of the week.


BTW mak whats youre ingame handle?

[Mak333]

I'll try that.  Thanks Larry.

[Platano]

Originally posted by Mak333
The 109 can turn, but so can the 51D if you ever have had experience flying it low and slow.  Sure the 109 can turn better than a 51D...

 you just contradicted yourself here....And no the 51D is a PiG turning LoW and Slow..

Originally posted by Mak333
The only thing that I see this plane really having to any advantage is the gun packages, which still don't mean much if you are a good shot.

You are wrong again sir... DiD you know that 109's are know For its ZooM to-tha-moon climbing abilities? Especially that k4


HoW about you learn the Plane and see what a magnificant plane it is Then Come back

[Xargos]

You must learn to use the K key if your going to start flying 109s, you won't need it as much once you learn it's limits.  Using your rudder also improves your roll rate.

P.S.  Angel, he said he would give the 109s a try.

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by Geary420
When the perk ord system is introduced I would really like to see the mk108 option return for the g6, now that was a sweet little package.

Geary where'd you get your avator from, looks like a rave. Psychodelic man:eek:

[LEADPIG]

God i do hate to see a 109 behind my 38, the f or g-2 especially and also when one of those luftwaffe guys are flying it. If i hang in there for a minute or two i feel satisfied, especially for carrying around an extra 5,000 lbs or so. It's usually a satisfying fight though. the 109.  

[Geary420]

Originally posted by LEADPIG
Geary where'd you get your avator from, looks like a rave. Psychodelic man:eek:

I made it from a video I took at an outdoor that we went to on my birthday last year. The party sucked and it was like 10 degrees outside, that avatard is the only good thing to come from it.

The 38 does provide quite enjoyable fights agains a 109, especially with a guy like Ledpig at the stick, we have mixed it up quite a few times IIRC.

[blkmgc]

Lots of good info in here. Thanks for that.

I like the plane because if you use your head a bit and think about what your doing and its effect, it will produce and bring you home. Now, I'm a bomber pilot mainly, and there are tons of folks better than me ingame for sure. But yesterday I did a sortie around an airfield under attack, and after i got above 10-15K and gained some speed, I found that if I did not turn and burn to the deck, I could disengage and stick some alt back in the e-bank with ease and come back for morewith some speed. As well as bnz pretty easily when the correct opportunity presented itself.

 Still have to work on my gunnery a bit, but I had a 4 kill sortie going (including some lancs) when I had to belly in due to a wave of attackers coming in while I was on final...and I got a ditch:mad: . hehe, oh well was a heap of fun anyways.

[Geary420]

For the Messerschmit challenged I reccomend trying to find a copy of morphs vid "The Rooster".  Five minutes of great flying in a g10 that inspired me to put down the weeniemobiles and strap on an Iron Cross.  The 109 can be a cruel mistress at first no doubt, but if you have the patience and desire to learn it it's great.