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Offline Beefcake

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« on: May 29, 2007, 03:09:25 AM »
I know some of these ideas have been brought up before but I figure it's worth asking again.

Idea #1: Enable the 4th drone at a perk cost.
For those that don't know, when the buff drone system was being installed it was orginally designed for 4 planes, but it was deemed a bit to powerful so it was cut back to 3. The system is already in place with control settings for the 4th plane and gun switching for the 4th plane setup. All that needs to happen is for HT to flip the switch to let it happen. IMO I would think this wouldn't be to hard to do and would give us buff pilots something to blow points on. You could have the extra B17/24 drone maybe cost 30 perks or something and on down depending on the plane. Thoughts?

Idea #2: Purchase of Otto the Infamous Gunner.
I can already hear the screams now. How about allowing buff pilots to buy auto gunners for 50 or so perks. I'm not really sure if this is a good or bad thing but it would be a nice perk dump for the gunnery challenged or the lazy buff driver.....or for the times when those 15 tacos attempt the great escape during that long buff mission.

Idea #3: Extra Buff Formations.
I would love to see this someday....and I can hear the screams now. Anyway, allow the buff pilot to buy exrta drone formations that follow him, like up to 4 or something. (holy cow 12 B17s flown by one pilot) Make it cost something like 50 perks per formation and 25 perks non-refunded so the total cost is like 150-200 perks for the whole thing.


These are just some random ideas I had that I'm sure someone else brought up long ago, but I just wanted to post them as I have nothing to spend all these buff perkies on. And no....the AR234 doesn't count.
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Offline Larry

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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2007, 03:23:48 AM »
Yes the Ar234 does count. Its great for high speed bombing. Iknow it doesnt carry 10k of bombs but it can take hangers and town down pretty good.
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2007, 03:28:40 AM »
Hehe I know it counts, was attempting sarcasim. :) The Ar234 is a good little bomber but it's not very useful most of the time as you get 3 bombs and thats it. Also it takes FOREVER to turn around with a formation as well as to land it with a formation.
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2007, 05:21:33 AM »
More buffs to kill? Sweet.


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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2007, 05:57:38 AM »
I think formations should be perked anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2007, 07:14:09 AM »
Yeah instead of getting 2 drones, make every one you take after the 1st perked. Maybe allow up to 4 drones or so. 1 reason the formations came into play was due to low number of players. With all the growth it shouldn't be hard to get a couple of guys together.

Also, maybe start perking different bomb loads.

Just a few ideas.
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2007, 09:33:12 AM »
How bout 10 perks per every extra human gunner beyond the first?:D   I would spend perks for some more of my squad to join my plane/formation.
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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2007, 09:40:26 AM »
The day they add otto to player bombers is the day I quit.

I guess you folks don't remember WB otto much?

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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2007, 09:56:13 AM »
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Originally posted by Krusty
The day they add otto to player bombers is the day I quit.

I guess you folks don't remember WB otto much?


Was he the guy that sat in the co-pilot's seat and stared at you in a strange, "botherly love" sort of way?  Wouldn't help fly the plane, gun, or do anyting but sit and stare - totally worthless crew member!

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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2007, 10:10:15 AM »
Buffs with all gun possitions manable, yes HT please bring the 'Death Star' option to AHII...  ahhh, a couple of death stars circling a base brings vulching to a whole new level.

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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2007, 10:12:28 AM »
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Originally posted by SKJohn
Was he the guy that sat in the co-pilot's seat and stared at you in a strange, "botherly love" sort of way?  Wouldn't help fly the plane, gun, or do anyting but sit and stare - totally worthless crew member!


"otto" was the computer-aimed super-lethal AI gunners that you toggled on or off by hitting a key, and they would kill anything in range from any angle.

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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2007, 11:37:41 AM »
I don't really see the need in a 4th plane. Honestlly I'm not even that good in a buff pilot and I can sink CV or hit just about any target I want.

Only way I could see an advantage to a 4th drone, would be if you could control which planes dropped a bomb. As it is now 3 planes if on target waste a bomb (if using 1k lbs) on the hangers.

Don't even get me started on strat bombing. If I up a set of lancasters to hit ords or radars on a few bases. Well lets just say I waste more ords than I'd ever need. In reality our bombers are way too accurate IMO to have a 4th drone.

They didn't use massive bomber formations for no reason at all during the war, yet here in Aces High a single bombers formation can effectivly have a pretty big impact on a base. (not complaining on that)

I would like to see  something worth while that I could spend my bomber perks on, but I dunno if a 4th drone would be worth while.

Much can be said for GV's as well, I'd like to see something more than just a Tiger to use perks on. Off the topic of bombers, but I'd love to see a military transport truck that could carry 12 to 15 troops and 2 loads or a larger load of feild supplies on board. Something like that would be worth while to have perked as long as a few gun rounds didn't blow it up.
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2007, 11:42:11 AM »
Otto?  No ... besides, if limited to ammo loads you have now, a smart interceptor will be able to get Otto to waste all his ammo at extreme range, then you is easy pickings.  Bad idea.

Death Star?  No .... Death Star vulch would be worse than dive buffing in game.  Besides, too much of the "who needs a gunner" stuff in text buffer now.  Personal experience is that most potential gunners sux.  They waste ammo, shoot at anything withing 5K (even friendlies), are ineffective, and leave without telling you.

Perked ord?  No ... I've got issues with taking away what buffs have now, unless they get something in return.  As HTC policy is nothing larger than the cookie cutter 4K bomb, there is no benefit along this route.

Arado?   Eh....  Actually, I much prefer the Ki-67 (and it's guns) for similar missions.  Arado is the only perk buff ride, and it's a bit of an acquired taste.  I used to kill CV's with flights of Arados, but I still prefer the Ki-67 for that role.  If you look through the data available, you'll see the Arado rates as one of the least flown aircraft in the game, along with the Val and Kate (we need the Judy!).

Extra Drones/ Perk All Drones?  Possibly.  I could support the purchase of ALL drones, if we could purchase up to Five extra drones (formation 3 across, 2 deep, rear row offset) instead of two we get now.  Folks at TT would hate it.  CV squads would hate it (no one like to fly CAP).  It would bring the strategic targets (HQ and Factories) back to being hit more often and needed defense.  I think you'd have to get rid of the drone catch up speed with this option too.  Force buff drivers to maintain their large formations.  But, because of TT and CV's, I don't see it happening.  Too bad.  Be nice to bring strategic bombing back into the game.

Additional Buff Perk Sink?   Yes please (but not getting one anytime soon).  The contenders are the A-26B and A-26C Invader, the B-29 Superfortress (sans nook), Mosquito B.Mk XVI, and possibly the He-177.  
* Don't think we'll ever see the Superfortress.... too high, too fast, too big a bombload vs gameplay and the whole 'i wanna nook' crowd.  Safe bet it's out.
* He-177 may also be too big a load and too high alt and speed for gameplay.  Then there is the issue of guided munitions like the Henschel Hs 293 or Fritz X it could carry. Be nice if Germany had it's only heavy bomber produced in numbers.
* Mosquito B.Mk XVI.  I'm not that familiar with to determine if it would be a good perk sink or not.  It would have to have some performance benefit to rate perk cost.  
* A-26B (solid gun nose) and A-26C (glass nosed Norden bomb sight) Invaders I've gone into great detail here: A-26 Invader thread
Among the 'Vader's pros is the fact that the B and C models are only different in the nose configuration.  For the work of one new plane model, you get the Ground Attack A-26B as well as a good fast penetration A-26C bomber better than the Ki-67 and B-26 with the Norden bombsight for level bombing.
Better performance than the A-20 and B-26.  Uber strafer.  Up to 14 rockets.  Variety of ord options.   Two potential perk sinks for development time of one.


But.  Sanjaya wun......

As to crockett's comment on something else for GV perks: German 88mm FlaK36  with a light perk cost would be my choice.
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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2007, 12:41:55 PM »
Hell yeah! Great ideas! Maybe HTC will also let you pay perks to have AI fly it around and drop bombs for you too!

Sheesh.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2007, 01:35:52 PM »
What we really need is something you could LOSE buff perks on.  

Other that flying goons all but one of my buff runs this camp have been in Ar-234's (the other was in a set of Lancs).  I haven't lost one yet (or one of the Lancs) and I've had quite a few runs (probably 2-3 per week).

I do love waving bye-bye at the fighters who think they can catch me though.  Bye now... bye-bye.

Ar-234's are better strategic than tactical weapons though.  A good tactical bomber like the A-26 Invader would be the perfect compliment and would probably need to be perked.  

Another option would be a perked Lancaster B-1 with the Tallboy or Grand Slam load-out, even if it was only useable against HQ.  It would give more people an incentive to go for HQ and also give 163's a greater role in the game.
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