Author Topic: Something to whine about... (Read 2078 times)

Panzzer · « **on:** June 02, 2007, 08:15:23 PM »

AvA rules of conduct..

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Civil behavior is valued, and required, in this arena. Any violation of these rules can lead to muting or ejection. No warning of a violation is required before muting or ejection.

#1 Players should communicate in a way that is respectful of other players and HTC. Those who repeatedly taunt, flame, or abuse other players is not tolerated.

#2. Players are asked not to act as a back seat Moderator, Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to a CM's and or HTC's attention via email if one is not currently online.

#3 Cheating allegations or descriptions are not allowed.

Work in progress, we will be adding things as we see fit. The above ones have not met the HTC sign of approval yet. But I don't think those should be too hard to follow.

toonces3 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:27:44 PM »

If I may make a suggestion?

I was going to start a thread on this, but I'll put it here instead.

I noticed that when you log onto the AvA, a flyout screen describes the current layout of planes, countries, etc.

While I'm quite new to the AvA, it seems like most of the players there are trying to fly to a more sporting level. In fact, I saw Shifty and Oaktree let a fellow go after a fight last night, with one wing, because he fought a 2 v 1 so well. After mortally wounding the plane, but still not being able to close the deal, they let him rtb. That was pretty cool I thought.

So, I was thinking that it might be nice to put some sort of 'suggested' code of conduct in that flyout when logging on to educate new players logging onto the AvA for the first time.

What I suggest is something like:

1. While front quarter shots are perfectly valid, it is inappropriate to shoot an opponent in a head on or "HO" position at the merge.

2. Attacking enemy aircraft while on the their runway, or "vulching", is discouraged. Players are encouraged to allow opponents to reach 1000' prior to engaging.

3. Players should not shoot enemy chutes after an opponent has bailed from his aircraft.

I'm sure there are others, but these are some simple rules that are typically abused in the MA. These are things that are repeatedly complained about on the forums. Suggesting to folks to avoid these behaviors would really raise the level of play in the arena and make for a more enjoyable time for all imo.

Slash27 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:50:27 PM »

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Originally posted by toonces3
What I suggest is something like:

1. While front quarter shots are perfectly valid, it is inappropriate to shoot an opponent in a head on or "HO" position at the merge.

What was posted is the black and white on conduct. We are still working on the "suggested" part of it. We cant take action on people for taking a HO shot. It was a valid tactic even though its not needed at times in the arena. Its all subject to someones opinion and a can of worms we will likely avoid.

2. Attacking enemy aircraft while on the their runway, or "vulching", is discouraged. Players are encouraged to allow opponents to reach 1000' prior to engaging.

Thats spot on.

toonces3 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:30:55 PM »

Roger all.

What I'm suggesting is a 'suggested code of conduct' for the arena. Of course, one can HO to one's content in there with no official reaction. As a community, it might be worthwhile to put it out there and let the players decide whether or not to abide by those suggestions.

I bring this up only because the HO is so widely griped about. There are active posts within a few posts of this one, like the one about 1Duke1 muting someone who was griping about getting HO'd on 200, that perfectly exemplify what I'm talking about.

If you put it out there, and then the senior members of the community who are in AvA gently encourage folks to abide by this code, I think everyone would benefit.

To reiterate, though, I'm not suggesting there be any official, formal consequences for Ho'ing, vulching, or other bad form ways of play.

Slash27 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2007, 08:37:16 PM »

I would like some more input from some more of the regulars before we post it. I agree with where you are coming from. I would rather fight it out then have a joustfest. But I have reservations about putting it out there as as something that can be interpreted as a rule by those looking for a reason to grief.

E25280 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2007, 11:19:02 PM »

Looks spot on to me.

Larry · « **Reply #6 on:** June 04, 2007, 03:37:00 AM »

More "rules" to make "if you dont fly or act like we want your outa here" kinda place.

kilz · « **Reply #7 on:** June 04, 2007, 05:44:02 AM »

i going to have to agree with the AvA staff here larry. they are not asking you to fly a certain way. they are trying to end all the whining going on in the AvA. just as slash has said there is no way they can make it a rule that ho shots are against the rules. so no i dont think they are making it a fly my way or the high way thing. just some rules to follow just as the MAs have.

P.S. still going to be there tuesday to fly with yas

Larry · « **Reply #8 on:** June 04, 2007, 06:13:00 AM »

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Originally posted by LTARkilz
i going to have to agree with the AvA staff here larry. they are not asking you to fly a certain way. they are trying to end all the whining going on in the AvA. just as slash has said there is no way they can make it a rule that ho shots are against the rules. so no i dont think they are making it a fly my way or the high way thing. just some rules to follow just as the MAs have.

Telling people how to fly will be next kils. As I said before in other treads ch.200 is a tuneable channel and if you dont like what your seeing get off of it. These "rules" are just trying to control how people act in the AvA. Seems to me like some of the CMs are on an ego rush. Looks to me like they are trying to run certain people out, but thats ok I cant wait to see the AvA I ghost town again. You guys have fun fighting your own squad members.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:05:39 AM »

Check out every Arena we have. what channel do you see everyone using as the community or public channel? 200.....every once and again you will find channel 1 enabled, but most times it is Channel 200.

So with that being the case, it is not possible for any Staff member, CM, or AvsA Staff to just "DETUNE" if they don't like what they see, or do not agree with it.......so TrueKill, my friend. If you are unhappy with what you see, then why can you not just "DETUNE", or even .squelch? you have told others this is what they should do, but you do not heed your own advice......

as for have a great squad and members in it, you JG54 guys , have wonderful squad cohesion and stand by your members, really got to admire that, simply outstanding. But look at it from an outsiders view who has been there. When you create a stink, or have a complaint, then say 2,3,4 or more squaddies jump in to back you regardless of what the original point may have been, people will jump on the band wagon, it becomes a squad verses the world, and no side wants to back down come hell or high water.

A certian staff member muted one of my squad members a long time ago, My squad member mocked some AvsA fliers who was whining because my Damned squaddie alone by himself was cleaning their clocks, as they whined, he returned it to them as a mocking of them, suddenly he was squelched and it was for 60 minutes, he never even got a warning no less......he never got an apology and he no longer plays this game......

so to tell you the damned truth, it pisses me off to see you sit on here and whine about getting muted, when it was your same squad that caused the episode to happen to my squad mate........

let the damned thing go, nothing good is coming from it, except making people who wonder on to these boards see what kind of tulips we all are in the AvsA and we all always have to complain about something just like every other freaking arena......

can we drop it now?

Good Day All!!

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #10 on:** June 04, 2007, 07:19:45 AM »

with the above being said, I do not have any issues with the JG54, I enjoy flying against them and even with them when we are evening the sides.

I was just trying to make a point, wether I did or not well who knows. I do not and I am not trying to rile up an old fued or make anyone mad........

~SALUTE~ TK & JG54.....

Grits · « **Reply #11 on:** June 04, 2007, 08:30:03 AM »

I like it. Just like the rules for the BBS conduct.

Shifty · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2007, 08:40:18 AM »

Panzzer.
While I think your heart is in the right place, and I admire what you're trying to do. I think behavior standards should be more of a suggestion than a rule.

Putting suggestions down as rules will just lead to more tempers flaring. When folks new to the AVA drop in they're are liable to fly the way they see it done everywhere else they've flown. That could lead to accusations, complaints, and a flamefest against the new guy that unwitingly breaks the rules. Things like high angle attacks are always going to be refered to as HO's from the guy on the recieving end. I havent had a pure HO pulled on me in quite a while in the AVA.

I think everybody gets the idea that the regulars try and make the AVA a different enviroment from the MA's. We have our problems, and we have our differences, but I can't think of an AVA regular who has to resort to HO's or Vultching for a kill. When things like this happen it's usually a new guy who is unaware. Those guys just need to be told politely that we are trying to fly without those types of tactics. When regulars do it, it's usually in the form of revenge or a display of anger. That kind of behavior is up to the person himself. We all lose our temper, and none of us like to lose.

Our own personal behavior is really the only thing each of us need to be overly concerned with. If each of us would take care of that little item, a lot of this other stuff would be un-needed.

I'm afraid a set of rules would just lead to more and more complaints and accusations, and more work for you AVA staffers.
I'm for each and everyone of us doing our best personally to make this a better flying enviroment, and lighting up just a bit. We're here to have fun after all. You can only control yourself, and that in it'self will lead to improvement.

Just my two cents.

scottydawg · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2007, 08:40:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Grits
I like it. Just like the rules for the BBS conduct.

Yeah, we see how well THAT works.

Seriously it would be nice to have a place where the atmosphere is a little more civil than the MA's. For the most part AvA is.

Larry · « **Reply #14 on:** June 04, 2007, 08:52:15 AM »

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Originally posted by scottydawg
Seriously it would be nice to have a place where the atmosphere is a little more civil than the MA's. For the most part AvA is.

It is. There are fights and watermelon talkers on MA 200 all the time. ALOT more then in the AvA. Thats why I call BS on when new guy says they wont play there because of it. Every time someone says that they are pretty much saying they got thier arses handed to them and dont wanna play it again. Im thinking about giving Bug his wish and do what storch is doing (giving the AvA a break). Since Iv been back Iv been getting better fights in the MAs, 95% of the fights in the AVA these days are full of gangs and picks. So if I do stop flying the AvA you guys should be getting all the numbers back because the two biggest watermelon talkers are out.