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« Reply #105 on: June 06, 2007, 12:57:48 PM »
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I wouldn't throw stones that large. We'll be in the same boat ourselves before too long if the greatest contribution John Q is willing to make is a magnetic sticker purchase. ;)


That's a pretty large stone in it'self. I see a lot of people poke fun at the sticker people. This is just my observation, and yes it is with some predjudice I'll warn you up front.

When my son was wounded in February, I made this observation.

The total strangers that would come to the hospital to visit him, had those stickers on their cars.

The people that brought him gifts had those stickers on their cars.

The little old ladies that brought hand made quilts , yes many of them had those stickers on their cars.

If you go to DFW to pick up a person coming back from the war in Iraq, or Afghanistan, the perfect strangers standing there greeting them with gifts, and thank yous will have those stickers on their cars.

People who have come to my house over the years to get address where they could send  my sons care packages when they were deployed had those stickers on their cars.

I'm kind of fond of those people, at least they're doing something besides watching American Idol and shop.
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« Reply #106 on: June 06, 2007, 01:01:42 PM »
OFMG How many times do I have to tell you Russians(and some Europeans)? Read carefully...


The stations in Europe are not meant to help with protecting the continental US. The DEW(Distant Early Warning) line up in Canada has this responsiblity. Also US has launch detection coverage over the entire globe. Either of these 2 assets provide the US with all the early warning we need!! This defense system in EU is for EU and no one else!!!!How much simpler can I explain this?????????:furious

Some the most ignorant people are present in this thread. I have never seen blind stupidity and hatred so prevailant before. Russia will not be happy until they fire there nukes in anger......period.


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« Reply #107 on: June 06, 2007, 01:17:19 PM »
One thing I saw NO mention of is a spaced based laser.

A fleet similar in size to the gps system could handle a liquid or solid ICBM threat.

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« Reply #108 on: June 06, 2007, 02:23:31 PM »
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I get the sobering feeling that the typical Russian mind needs to believe it is consantly at war with someone, or something, in order to function at a basic level.


My Mother, born in 1945, belongs to a first generation that didn't see wars so far. Usually we get invaded 2 times every century, and last 4 times that you probably can remember - it was from the West. We got some reasons to be paranoid.

We can't afford using 50% of budget on defense now, but we still have Strategic Missile Corps and changed our doctrine accordingly :( Having Russia poor means that you have to prepare for a pre-emptive strike :(

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« Reply #109 on: June 06, 2007, 02:30:54 PM »
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The stations in Europe are not meant to help with protecting the continental US. The DEW(Distant Early Warning) line up in Canada has this responsiblity. Also US has launch detection coverage over the entire globe. Either of these 2 assets provide the US with all the early warning we need!! This defense system in EU is for EU and no one else!!!!How much simpler can I explain this?????????:furious:


Tell me why did the US object when USSR was rumoured to build an early warning radar deep inside it's own land back in mid 80-s?

AFAIK USSR was the first to make a global "Missile Attack Warning System" (SPRN, Sistema preduprezhdeniya o raketnom napadenii) back in 70s-80s. We can still detect a single submarine missile launch globally. Can YOU?

You build your missile-warning systems in EU and thus make them legitimate targets. So it goes. In some certain cases of global confrontation they'll be knoched out to simply raise stakes bluffing. Minimax.

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« Reply #110 on: June 06, 2007, 03:16:06 PM »
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Usually we get invaded 2 times every century, and last 4 times that you probably can remember - it was from the West. We got some reasons to be paranoid.


I hope your not talking about WW2. You guys started out WITH Hitler by invading Poland.

Don't believe me? Look up the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Only reason you might say that you were invaded was because Hitler did it BEFORE Stalin could.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact
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« Reply #111 on: June 06, 2007, 03:39:11 PM »
That may be true Tango, but Germany did nevertheless invade Russia in 1941.

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« Reply #112 on: June 06, 2007, 03:45:54 PM »
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That may be true Tango, but Germany did nevertheless invade Russia in 1941.


As can be said of most countries, mine included, if you lie down with dogs, you often get up with fleas.

Funny thing is, Stalin came out on top. He made a pact with Hitler, and Hitler screwed him. So Stalin made a pact with Churchill and FDR, to get revenge on Hitler, and then Stalin screwed Churchill and FDR. And in the end, he ended up with most of what he wanted when he joined Hitler, and probably more. And he sure as Hell didn't give a damn about the millions of Russians who died getting it for him.
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« Reply #113 on: June 06, 2007, 04:13:50 PM »
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That may be true Tango, but Germany did nevertheless invade Russia in 1941.


As I said, Hitler invaded Russia before Stalin could invade Germany.
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« Reply #114 on: June 06, 2007, 04:52:20 PM »
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As can be said of most countries, mine included, if you lie down with dogs, you often get up with fleas.

Funny thing is, Stalin came out on top. He made a pact with Hitler, and Hitler screwed him. So Stalin made a pact with Churchill and FDR, to get revenge on Hitler, and then Stalin screwed Churchill and FDR. And in the end, he ended up with most of what he wanted when he joined Hitler, and probably more. And he sure as Hell didn't give a damn about the millions of Russians who died getting it for him.


Go read some books on USSR/France/UK negotiations in Moscow in Aug 1939.

Funny to hear such accusations from a country that openly traded with nazis until the very end. I know, business is business. Private enterprising my ass.

I am sick of discussing this with illiterates who can't read a single book by a British author that I recommend, maybe it's banned in so-called "free world"?

Edit: Hary Truman said in 1940 that US should join the European war only to exaust both parties. In 1939 "allies" totally screwed up negotiations so JVS had to sign a pact that offered peace. Do you seriously think that he had to send Soviet soldiers to die for the guaranties given to Poland by France and UK when they openly stated that they can't deploy a handful of troop against Hitler in first 6 months?!

You guys always switch to Stalin/Hitler when you lose a discussion, don't you?
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« Reply #115 on: June 06, 2007, 05:05:01 PM »
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Funny to hear such accusations from a country that openly traded with nazis until the very end. I know, business is business. Private enterprising my ass.


After Hitler declared war on the US there were some companies that still tried to do buisiness with Nazi Germany, but that was stopped. Before war was declared, US companies could trade with who they chose to. I don't think most Americans considered Nazi Germany a threat to the US. Most Americans viewed the war that had started in Europe as just another European problem.
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« Reply #116 on: June 06, 2007, 05:42:51 PM »
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Funny to hear such accusations from a country that openly traded with nazis until the very end. I know, business is business. Private enterprising my ass.


Its called a "FREE COUNTRY". The government doesn't have total control over companies, unlike Russia.

Theres good and bad with being a free country. Perhaps your country should try it some time instead of having ALL bad.
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« Reply #117 on: June 06, 2007, 05:52:53 PM »
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Its called a "FREE COUNTRY". The government doesn't have total control over companies, unlike Russia.

Theres good and bad with being a free country. Perhaps your country should try it some time instead of having ALL bad.


LOL companies have total control over govt? :D We are moving fast towards this version now :(

Catch-22 with an episode when US B-25s bomb their own airfield. True freedom.

Opel was owned by GM since mid-30s IIRC.

US bomber crews had maps with some areas marked as "no bomb drop under any conditions", because American capital was invested there.

I know how your companies bypass govt embargos, we had three Convex supercomputers in our Institute since late-80s. Marx said that a capitalist will sell his mother into slavery for 300% of profit. Finally it's only a sacred Private Enterprising...

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« Reply #118 on: June 06, 2007, 06:04:27 PM »
Borada.........you are the best....russia is the best......your comrades are the best......you are the best......your missiles are the best.....your submarines are the best.....your satelites are the best....you are the best.....there you go.

Having said that I will eat my capitalist pizza, in my capitalist house, in a capitalist town, with capitalist food, and wonderful capitalist vehicles.


If you represent most russians I deeply regret being alive at a time like this. Its no wonder we havent been in a nuclear war.



Quote...Tell me why did the US object when USSR was rumoured to build an early warning radar deep inside it's own land back in mid 80-s?

Only the russians are stupid enough to build an early warning radar deep inside there own country. The fact of the matter is to be effective the radar would be placed at the border if not beyond. This is done to give the maximum amount of warning possible. Radar is still line of sight. At least until someone defys physics and bends radar. It cannot see over the horizon. I highly doubt the objection ever occured (prove me wrong). In order to be useful its very exsistence would have been kept secret. You need to attend a school not swayed by russian propoganda.

The fact of the matter is you also have not disputed hardly any of my claims on other subjects which leads me to belive your knowledge of US weapons is far from complete. Half your post have made no sense and the other half have been utter garbage. I challenge you to prove me wrong in anything I have writen. This is to be done with proof....your word has no merit in my mind.

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« Reply #119 on: June 06, 2007, 06:15:30 PM »
And yes we have been able to detect a global missile launches for many decades.

As far as your submarines.....if the captain farted we would know before his comrades had the chance to smell it. Most of your boats are notoriusly easy to find and identify. Would it matter if I told you we could identify a submarine by listening to the frequencies output the power plant and prop noise. Every sub has a individual noise that makes it stand out.

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