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Offline Yeager

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« on: June 04, 2007, 01:45:10 PM »
Haven't heard much talk about this anywhere but I am noticing some threatening rhetoric (and other rhetoric) coming from Vlad.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/06/04/russia.putin.ap/index.html

As far as Im concerned we should not be putting US missle defences up in Europe to defend Europe from Iranian or NKorean missles.  Thats Europes job, not ours.
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Re: Euro Missle Shield
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2007, 02:24:33 PM »
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As far as Im concerned we should not be putting US missle defences up in Europe to defend Europe from Iranian or NKorean missles.  Thats Europes job, not ours.


Agreed.

Vlad does seem a bit *****y about all this. I don't blame him, honestly. With this shield in place, how can he bully his neighbors around? Geez, it's getting harder and harder to get things done at gunpoint in this day and age.

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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 02:29:40 PM »
Geez, George had him over to his place and gave him a brand new cowboy belt and all, and now this...

seems like Vlad has been misbehaving a lot in the past year...  

as to whether we should help with a missle shield for the NATO, i don't know...  on the one hand it seems prudent... but not sure we should pay for it all.
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 02:41:52 PM »
We have said no to the missile shield, and a number of others will too over here. Its mostly the eager-to-please new nato members who sais yes. The shield is useless and is only good at starting a new new-killar arms race.

I hope all european nations comes to their senses and sais no to this crap.

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 03:07:24 PM »
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As far as Im concerned we should not be putting US missle defences up in Europe to defend Europe from Iranian or NKorean missles. Thats Europes job, not ours.


Yeager - so you agree that all US missile tracking equipment that gives the US early warning of missile attack should be removed from the UK? You know, the equipment that any anti-missile system relies on?

It isn't there to protect the UK. It isn't there to protect Europe. It protects YOU.

Feel free to try and find some other land in the same GPS coordinates as the UK. These new NATO entrants get no direct protection from the anti-ballistic missile system. You need them as much as they need you.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 03:57:19 PM »
To protect WHO ?!
no really, as if some of you really care about Yurop, c'mon
please build this kind of toy on YOUR homeland, thank you.
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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2007, 04:09:56 PM »
Didn't you know that Team America protects everyone for free, ghost?
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2007, 04:56:35 PM »
Dowding,

Am referring to the proposed radar sights in Eastern Europe and the placement of American ballistic missle interceptors in Eatsern Europe (I believe).
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2007, 04:59:01 PM »
Yes... they are there to protect america from missiles.

They can also shoot down missiles sent from Russia. This upsets the balance so now the russians will build more nukes and also put more shorter ranged nukes close to the sites so they can target the radars and the anti-missile systems.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2007, 05:02:09 PM by Nilsen »

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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2007, 05:09:05 PM »
I believe the point is to have the interceptor missiles, hit the enemy missiles while they are in the boost phase... Before they can reach escape velocity, and before their warheads separate and go completely ballistic...
After that they are almost impossible to hit...

Vlad Putie, and his ex soviet cronies, are having problems at home.... So they need something, to distract their people, from their nefarius activity at home...

Also It's alittle like France, sour grapes, because the world really doesn't give a ratsass about what they say anymore...

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« Last Edit: June 04, 2007, 05:13:57 PM by OdinGrunherze »

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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 05:11:50 PM »
Yes.. from sertain parts of europe they can be shot down while on the way up I belive. Problem is.. that works for shooting down russian missiles too.

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 05:29:25 PM »
i see a new russian missile shield in Cuba coming...
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 05:29:53 PM »
I highly doubt that such a defense system will work properly. It will just be a kind of Maginot Line which costs much money and will be in the case of cases worthless.

Then there are no iranian missiles which could reach Europe.

And why should they?

Iran is not the enemy of Europe and Europe not the enemy of Iran.

In contrary there are still good relation ships with european nations.

Even with the embargo there are still close economical ties.

Some few examples:
France, Italy and Germany have built or are building production centres in Iran which produce copies of Renaults, Fiat and Mercedes.
There is even a discussion to build a Transrapid railway system in Iran - done by a german company.

Also Iran and many european nations have also historical ties reaching hundreds of years back to history and still active today.

The simple "Iran will attack Europe - so we must protect Europe by installing defense missiles in Poland" is like one of these propaganda stories we heared before many wars.

There is no hate between Iranians and europeans. And no danger of an iranian attack.

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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2007, 05:39:59 PM »
how wonderful, peace in our time.

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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2007, 05:42:30 PM »
if NATO doesn't want the missle shield in Europe, i agree that we shouldn't put it there.  maybe we need to re-think NATO...
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