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« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2007, 07:32:40 PM »
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I understand national pride, but geez....
In 1945? A confrontation between Red Army and Allied Armies?
So ya think two weeks, before Russian pig farmers could be raping the hot paris chicks huh?
Ivan, Dude, you've been watching too much propaganda.....LOL!!!


Grun, is it you?!  I hope to send you some small present with Dima ;)

Red Army in 1945: several millions of angry veterans. Professionals in killing. Opposed by the world's toughest army and defeating it.  Armed with incredible weapons.

They'll simply walk through "allied" forces without even noticing them. A walk to the "last sea" like Ghenghiz. Just to wash boots in salty water.

US fought in the Pacific for 3 years, and Red Army defeated Japanese continental 1.5 million army in 2 weeks losing less then 10 thousand servicemen. Sorry guys.

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« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2007, 07:35:24 PM »
@Boroda: Yes - US-TV never lies. So the mighty iranian starships are soon orbiting Earth and must be stopped by the energy shield which was stolen from Emperor Ming by Buck "Bush" Rogers, who is ready to save the planet ;)



But interesting is that here some US-members are blaming Russia for selling equipment to Iran.

On the same time the USA is supporting countries like Pakistan and Saudi-Arabia with equipment.

The same Pakistan, which is one of the main supporters of the Taliban, who are killing US- and other allied soldiers in Afghanistan.

The same Saudi-Arabia which defines itself the leading sunnite nation and so supports the sunnite terrorist organisations like the sunnite Al Qaida who are killing US- and other alied soldiers in Iraq or the sunnite palestinian groups which are now destabilizing Lebanon.

Its very easy to think in stereotypes. Here the bad russians and the instable iranians.

But it would be more wise to check the nations who are supported by the own side.
Then it would become clear that nations like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia are much more instable than Iran. That they are supporting exactly those terrorists (Taliban + Al Qaida) who are fighting the USA.

And that especially the shi ite Iran is a bitter enemy of these sunnite terror-groups.


On the other hand it could be easier to watch US TV showing the incoming iranian Starships made in Russia. :)

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« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2007, 07:37:21 PM »
Blackbirds over uninhabited land??

Yeah I guess all those pictures of your nuclear armed bomber fleet must have come from Stalingrad.:noid

The SR71 had could go anywhere in the Soviet Union in wanted to. There wasnt a single thing any of your missiles could do about it. Them some good rockets there ruskie!!!:noid

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« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2007, 07:38:33 PM »
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The Patriot missile system was flawed but held a impressive record considering it was doing a job it was never designed to do. The intercept rates were from 20 to 30 percent range depending on the threats flight profile and when the target was engaged. The Patriot was design to be a high altitude SAM not a ballistic interceptor.

Whatever sources claiming the Patriot exploded randomly are propoganda in there own right. The Patriot was based on a solid rocket motor that was hardly changed through out the missile systems life and proved extremely realiable.

Yawn

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 I meant Iraqi Scuds exploding on launchers. Sorry, sometimes I have problems - English is my second language.

"The intercept rates were from 20 to 30 percent range depending on the threats flight profile and when the target was engaged. " - exactly what I meant! :D Divide American stats by five - and you'll get the actual ratio. LOL it's like 78 Sabres lost in Korea :) We got more engine shields then that and captured one F-86 undamaged!

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« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2007, 07:50:57 PM »
And the Russians said they werent in Vietnam.:noid

You might want to rethink your statements on chaff.

In a ballistic trajectory against a high power doppler radar it would prove very ineffective. I would explain it but you would never believe or nor understand. I am a Yankee what do I know!!!:D :aok

Also theres this thing called radio black out do to plasma blocking radio waves. Hence rendering ECMs largely ineffective during most of the flight.

Again what do I know


Again yawn

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« Reply #50 on: June 04, 2007, 07:53:28 PM »
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The SR71 had could go anywhere in the Soviet Union in wanted to. There wasnt a single thing any of your missiles could do about it. Them some good rockets there ruskie!!!:noid


I only can say that You are badly misinformed.

71s flew across the North Pole and never crossed the USSR shoreline even at such sunny beautiful places as Taimyr. Anyone closing as far as 250km to a nearest Navy base gets punctured by our 60,000 steel pellets in a 300 kg warhead :)

Or do you decline the fact that Gary Powers got shot over Sverdlovsk on May Day 1960?

Just in case you didn't know: my Uncle scored 4 kills as a targeting officer on S-75 in Vietnam. Plus two more in Egypt. Name an American SAM officer with such a score, do me a favor please!

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« Reply #51 on: June 04, 2007, 08:03:24 PM »
You do know Francis Gary Powers was in a U2 correct? Other than the extreme altitude 80,000 ft approximatly the intercept posed no problems once you got to that alt. Heck its top speed was only a little under mach 1 at altitude!!

The SR71 flew miles higher and 4 times faster. They rountinely did deep recon runs in the heart of the Soviet. Despite the fact that hundreds of missiles were fired at the SR71 not one ever scratched the paint. I read about one causing an unstart tho.....thats a violent event but rather commom and not a safety issue.

Your 300kg warhead is junk when the guiadance platform cant cope with the closure rates. :)

Or the altitude...

Or the speed....

Or the fact that the SR71 was almost as fast as your state of the art missiles.....

Or the fact that margin for launching a SAM from any one site was less than a minute....

Shall I go on??

Keep spilling!!!

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« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2007, 08:07:46 PM »
Hi Boroda.

Nice to meet colleague :)
May I introduce myself - guidance officer, C-125 "Pechora"

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« Reply #53 on: June 04, 2007, 08:10:14 PM »
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And the Russians said they werent in Vietnam.:noid

You might want to rethink your statements on chaff.

In a ballistic trajectory against a high power doppler radar it would prove very ineffective. I would explain it but you would never believe or nor understand. I am a Yankee what do I know!!!:D :aok

Also theres this thing called radio black out do to plasma blocking radio waves. Hence rendering ECMs largely ineffective during most of the flight.

Again what do I know


Again yawn

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Above mentioned Uncle was a director of combat-program department in Sary-Shagan test-ground. Worked on ABMs. In 1975 they achieved accuracy enough to trade 1 megaton warhead for a conventional one, and the problem was only in detecting fake targets. As soon as they could detect a real threat in a cloud of targets falling on them fro over the horizon - they abandoned a nuclear ABM warhead.

Go ask me about explosive electro-magnetic generators when you speak about "plasma blocking radio". Go block a couple of terawatts. OTOH it's easier to blast one orf the eggs over stratosphere to blind your radars. Yes I am an Asian Jewish Bolshevik on my Shaggy Mount (tm) and not worth talking to. And I look like a hippyish Orthodox priest with long hair and a beard. So it goes. And I work in an institute that made a Bomb back in 1949. I work there just for fun, comrade Putin almost succeeded in starving all the scientists (i am only an engineer in IT support - don't mistake me for a Scientist)

hehe high power doppler radar %) auto-tracking on speed and distance - explain us the difference and try to invent AC maneuvers to "drop" such auto-tracking.

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« Reply #54 on: June 04, 2007, 08:16:08 PM »
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Hi Boroda.

Nice to meet colleague :)
May I introduce myself - guidance officer, C-125 "Pechora"


I studied in MVTU, 125-ka - MIREA? ;)

You shot the bloody missiles, pressed the button, all the fun, while I was only a person wearing chem-protection suit in brown oxydizer vapor :)

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« Reply #55 on: June 04, 2007, 08:18:20 PM »
I dont understand half that post and the other half I dont even feel the need to try and explain.

You will have your opinon.......

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« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2007, 08:20:22 PM »
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I studied in MVTU, 125-ka - MIREA? ;)

You shot the bloody missiles, pressed the button, all the fun, while I was only a person wearing chem-protection suit in brown oxydizer vapor :)


LPI (Leningrad Polythech).

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« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2007, 08:22:21 PM »
What oxidizer? Nitrogen Tetroxide? Nitric Acid?

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« Reply #58 on: June 05, 2007, 01:57:01 AM »
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Viking........did it ever occur to you that its already stopped ICBMS? It has on more than one ocassion! What more do you need to prove its a viable weapons system?  
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Still waiting on your link to these ICBM shootdowns.

(the one crappy piece of evidence so far has been a link to a controlled test of a shootdown of a missile trying to simulate a scud, technically a TBM, a long way from an ICBM).

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« Reply #59 on: June 05, 2007, 08:01:19 AM »
Agrees with everything Boroda said.