I quit posting this board simply because any argument I put forth is bereft of any understanding by certain people who continuously ask for "proof", and yet can't even understand basic science that my C level undergrads are whistling through. I won't begin to touch with "A" level science here.
This is a problem that many of my colleagues are frustrated with, and it stems from the mantra of our american educational system, at it's base level.
My own experience with this subject is limited by what I learn from colleagues in NOAA and other agencies. I will freely admit, I am not a climate scientist. My own miniscule piece of the puzzle suggests that the current theorem is proving itself. I've seen a rise in acidity over the past 10 years, when I was an undergrad to now. I know that right now, alot of people are frustrated in the sciences, and alot are scared. People with PhD's in multiple areas don't get scared about stuff until they do a whole lot of work. Even after they do all that work, they don't truly get scared until someone ELSE does that work and duplicates theirs. Alot of work is scaring ALOT of smart people, because it backs up one truth. I know in my work, that if this pace keeps going, there will definately be a collapse in the oceans in the future. Marine organisms don't tolerate pH fluctuations, they've never had to since the LAST big extinction. The oceans are the base of all ecosystems. They go... WE GO. There is no simpler way to put it. Quite a few of my colleagues already feel an extinction event is well underway... right under our feet. I've seen a definate homoginization on my reefs. Species I used to find aren't there in anywhere close to the same numbers. Sharks, for example. It's been close to 2 years since I've seen a requiem shark on some of my sites. But, I'm sure you will find a way to say this is a good thing.... I assure you, it is not.
Lazs, you will take pieces of what I said and post them to in some way back up your argument... your "cut and paste" machine. To say, "Oh see, He's this or that damn liberal" or whatever. You miss in so many ways. I, like most other scientists, don't give a damn about party politics or agendas. We don't get payed for ringing alarm bells... we get mocked, both in and outside of science, until the rest of the research starts to come in. Lasz, you continually appraise that there is an agenda... let me reaffirm it... SCIENCE HAS NO AGENDA. POLITICS has an agenda. In this case, the science is self-supporting. Do you consciously believe that ANYONE wants global climate change to be true?? You would have to be a conspiracy theorist beyond comprehension. In your famous "ice age" case, of the late 70's and 80's, there was NEVER any major consensus on the subject. In fact, it was one of the most hotly contested theories to be put forth. It never reached anything close to the 99.2% agreement that Global Warming has. But, then again, the glaciers never came.... but the daisies did start blooming in Alaska, and the bears never went into torpor (hibernation) in Russia last year.
I thought about starting to post links to papers and figured it wouldn't begin to help. You just can't understand what's being given to you. It's not your fault. I 'm sorry that I am unable to help you or your skeptical ilk anymore. I've got work to do.
It's nice to see that a few people are posting truly scientific things on here now. I found that reassuring. The truth is, sadly, that many people like you Lasz, feel that you are somehow smarter than everyone, and generally, you haven't even begun to touch any level of education. You blazed right through my posts picking what you could to support somehow, your derelict argument. At least 7 different posters put up real scientific information that you refuse to even consider. You are, as a blind man in an archery contest.... firing off into the darkness, hoping for a hit.
ITS THE SUN PLUS IGNORANCE, STUPID
My apologies for such a long winded post.
